This is what's wrong with The Industry™
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I went for a ride yesterday and I had a blast. No ollies or other crazynessYup. I still have a 10x30 Krypstick / Tracker / Bones board I bought new in 1979?. Ordered it from a clipped out form from a magazine from somewhere in California. Anyway, I brought it out a couple of times and it was not pretty. Oh, I could still get down the road and tack a bit, but to think I used to ride this thing on half-pipes. Ended up trying to ollie a man-hole cover, success was limited
. I got over the cover just fine, but sticking the landing was an issue.
Let's just say it hurt and leave it at that. My suggestion, is tighten the trucks up a touch more than you have normally. No hills. Take it easy and don't get cocky. Something tells me you won't bounce much better than I did.
, just cruisin along and doing sweet slalom on a downslope. It was great!Another thing I noticed: The number of new standards in skateboarding since 25 years = 0.
To be fair, the improvement in skateboards in the past 25 years is also 0.
Which is probably largely due to their customer base mostly being made up of a bunch of broke teenagers who want to go outside and smoke pot and hang out with their friends. Not people who spend 800 hours on forums discussing the finer points of shimstacks for their shocks, and who are willing to spend 1200 dollars on a shock for their bicycle to get it just right.
Point I'm trying to make is, the customers are the problem with the bike industry.
Also skateboards are sweet, except when you live in an area where everything is made up of uneven concrete that catches wheels like crazy. I need some 29" skateboard wheels to roll over these cracks.
Did a search, found carbon fiber skateboards and E-boards
Tell me again how many wheel sizes, wheel hardness, truck widths and different boards there are again... Then take a freestyle truck mount it to your longboard with some 101 hardness wheels that are 45mm and go down that same hill.I went for a ride yesterday and I had a blast. No ollies or other crazyness
Another thing I noticed: The number of new standards in skateboarding since 25 years = 0.
You can buy a 26“ tire and wheel in my shop.... Does that mean nothing changed in biking?
I've just discovered that the spline pattern on Wheels Mfg BSA 30 BB cups is different from the spline pattern on RF & other BSA 30 cups so my tools no worky. 
Your avatar says it all.I've just discovered that the spline pattern on Wheels Mfg BSA 30 BB cups is different from the spline pattern on RF & other BSA 30 cups so my tools no worky.
All wheels fit on all trucks though. And all trucks fit on all boards.
that's the difference.
Yep! Just like it used to be possible to fit a XC fork on a DH bike even though they were not meant to work together.
If the skate industry was anything like the bike industry, there would be several trucks bolt patterns (each providing about 18% more stiffness), the various wheel sizes would need different bearing sizes and different axle diameters, etc.
No they don't. They only do it with adapters. Cause a lot of wheels are to big. Then you have to raise the truck...
You can fit a DH fork on a xc bike.
But it's stupid..
Well there was a time when the two bikes were the same. We used to compete DH on our xc bikes, and do trials on them as well. But I don't want to go back to that time.
Good point that nobody seems to acknowledge. If we didn't have changing standards we'd be riding this in DH: which tripled as my dual slalom and XC bike.
While it was a blast, I am personally pretty happy to have no more:
Canti brakes
skewers holding my wheels on
headshok
square taper snapomatic BB spindle
narrow bars (are you kidding me??)
short reach long stem 73 hta
grip shift
triple chainring
Bob Hannah Signature Flak Jak
Fair point!
I am totally in favor of technological improvements and I agree new standards are often necessary.
On the other hand, I am against BS new standards that brings minor and unnecessary improvements, like the 35mm stem/bars interface to name only one.
He was referring to the truck axles and the mounting patterns you pendantic wanker. Whether or not they clear determines if you need a riser, which is just shimzzzzz.
I'd go back to multiple chainrings very happily. 1 x n is a stupid concept.
*wanders into skateboard conversation in the forum formerly known as the DH forum*
Does anyone know if the ankle strap on a surfboard has seen any standard changes in the past 25 years?
I'm sorry, you said what?
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Derailleurs are a stupid concept. There's still one too many. Yanking a chain sideways across pointy teeth. Sure. What could go wrong.
That's an e-bike. Errr, e-skate
snurfing is dead.
I watched a chick struggle on an e-paddleboard in Florida a week ago.
Do we need to start a "this is what's wrong with the world" thread? Guys, we already have more than enough with the bike industry, spare us this crap!
What's wrong with the world is the same thread as what's wrong with the industry
Which is also the same thread as what's wrong with Formula 1 when I thought it would only attract the best
The Bell Curve.
That's what's wrong with the industry
That's what's wrong with the world
get fuckin over it or kill yourself
I know, I know, I should have added the [/SARCASM] tag, or this smiley:
. It's just that if we start enumerating every fucking thing we think it's wrong we will die in this thread.
sorry. somebody got me startedI know, I know, I should have added the [/SARCASM] tag, or this smiley:
let's get back to what's wrong with the industry....
on the other hand, I get paid to ride my bike,
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So this article got posted already in more of a positive light, but I felt like it should be over here in the "this is what's wrong" thread.
https://enduro-mtb.com/en/mtb-weight/
Best part of it is the picture with the caption: "Endless cornering grip! eMTBs show that extra weight is not necessarily bad"
As somebody that wants an emtb because the idea of getting to go do a couple laps of the local hill and not be wrecked after a run or two, an emtb sounds awesome. But the current marketing pitch of "they're just as good if not better" drives me fucking crazy. Own up to the fact that you're making some sacrifices in handling for the sake of making the climbs faster and less shitty. I'm literally an eager customer and their marketing is making me actively want to not buy one.
The bike industry in particular seems to take a perverse joy in finding a new product that has something really awesome and innovative and cool to offer, and instead of making its benefits their selling point, they immediately stake out a bonkers claim that there are no compromises whatsoever. And instead of marketing the cool parts of the product, they ignore it, and focus on making stupid and blatant lies that its perfect in every way and that there are no compromises whatsoever.
https://enduro-mtb.com/en/mtb-weight/
Best part of it is the picture with the caption: "Endless cornering grip! eMTBs show that extra weight is not necessarily bad"
As somebody that wants an emtb because the idea of getting to go do a couple laps of the local hill and not be wrecked after a run or two, an emtb sounds awesome. But the current marketing pitch of "they're just as good if not better" drives me fucking crazy. Own up to the fact that you're making some sacrifices in handling for the sake of making the climbs faster and less shitty. I'm literally an eager customer and their marketing is making me actively want to not buy one.
The bike industry in particular seems to take a perverse joy in finding a new product that has something really awesome and innovative and cool to offer, and instead of making its benefits their selling point, they immediately stake out a bonkers claim that there are no compromises whatsoever. And instead of marketing the cool parts of the product, they ignore it, and focus on making stupid and blatant lies that its perfect in every way and that there are no compromises whatsoever.
I just want to quote this for posterity, it's really pretty accurate....but then again, reality doesn't sell bikes...
That's exactly why I bought one.
Which Emtbs have you ridden?
Mine has almost exactly the same travel and extremely similar geometry to my Capra. Both have a 170mm Lyrik, RS piggyback rear shocks and horst link rear ends. (leverage curves etc. are similar but the Capra is more progressive)
They do handle differently. Of course they do. The main reason for this is there's 15lb difference in weight between them. All extra weight held centrally.
The Ebike in boost mode is indeed like a FFWD button for the climbs. it's still fucking hilarious every ride. Some of the climbs that you used to find a chore actually become fun.
Descending:
Which of the two bikes would you think is faster? Neither. there's litterally nothing in it between the two in times on a whole host of descents from tight/steep (EWS) enduro stages, national level DH tracks, local DH and even pedally trail centre descents (the assist stops at 15mph and it's not the motor allowing the Ebike to go as just as fast.
Which is more stable and has most grip? The Ebike by a mile. (same tyres)
Which is more fun to ride? IMO The Capra. But only because the Ebike is much more tiring to hop and a lot harder to manual. Find a trail with nice kickers and bizarrely the ebike is just as much fun in the air and whips and tables just as well. (the Capra scrubs better but that might just be me)
so what else does the Capra do better? pump, ping, pop, and slide. (All traits I miss when on the Ebike but none of them actually make the Capra faster). Manuals and hopping both take far more initial effort.
The differences in the two bikes dictate that I ride the Capra wilder, brake later, pop off stuff way more and the Ebike I ride smoother but hold more momentum.
The dishonesty about ebikes in mtb marketing/media is staggering. Almost all of the owners have bought into the 2.8" plus tyre shit as they're told you need these tyres for an ebike. Especially for climbing. what utter bollocks! any half decently skilled rider absolutely does not need 2.8" tyres to hold grip up steeper terrain.
they try to tell new owners they need Ebike specific parts too. £390 (8 fucking speed) cassettes. £50 (8spd) Ebike specific chains, lube, saddles fucking anything they can get away with because a lot of the new owners are clueless.
Haha I tried to wheelie one the other night. Goddamn thats dangerous. Like riding a turbo moto with terrifying lag or a 2-stroke with a powerband that kicks in only when they're on the back wheel. Nearly died a few times then gave up.
Maybe the non-insane power modes might have been better, but what kind of sicko buys a motorbike and runs it in the non-bonkers setting.
Wheelying them is pretty mental. Muscle memory from 40years of wheelying needs reset as the pedal inputs don't translate to what you expect them to at all. Definitely takes time.
Manualling them you need to haul/push so hard to get it to the balance point if you did the same thing on a normal bike you'd KO yourself on the pavement behind the bike.
Manualling them you need to haul/push so hard to get it to the balance point if you did the same thing on a normal bike you'd KO yourself on the pavement behind the bike.
