Complete Guide to Downhill Rubber

Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by zdubyadubya, Jun 10, 2011.

  1. DaveW

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    I still just can't fathom how the hell Michelin can make a tyre like the WildrockR 2 so damn good, but manage to fuckup every other bloody tyre they try to build for MTB's?????

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    Looks enough like a Magic for me to want to give it a go. Dunno if I'd want to pay for it, but I'd give it a rip.
     
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    no. i'm pretty sure the pic posted above is the current wild enduro front and the new sam hill tire is this :
     
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    AH now I the new third center knob on the Sam.
     
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    Speaking of michelin, there's a blast from the past in my sig.

    michelin-dh-mud-acc-0.jpg michelin-dh-mud-acc-1.jpg
     
  7. SkaredShtles

    SkaredShtles I love NEWCASTLE and will ONLY drink NEWCASTLE!!!!

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    Srsly - they should just come out with a lineup of tires with that tread in different compounds & sidewalls.
     
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    FYI, E13 is blowing out the 1st generation of their TRS Race and Plus tires. I picked up 29er TRS race tires for $29 each.
     
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    Hehehehe
     
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    Nice! You should announce this on the Vintage DH Facebook page. I'm sure you will find a buyer easily.

    These were interesting tires. So much grip in the right conditions, it was ridiculously fun to ride them. On the other hand, they were quite dangerous on slick rocks and wood stuff...

    They were also extremely slow rolling tires. I did trim a bit the center knobs on my rear Mud3 to make it roll better. It helped, but still these were only good for super sloppy soft shit.
     
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    Do we like these tires? Which compound? Arts has the LG1 on sale too.

    Ive only seen pinkbike newbs complaining that they grip too well, have rolling resistance.

     
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    Yeah, Mud3 was the shit! I still have a set in my bike hole. Ridiculous lean angles on wet grass turns possible. They also worked pretty good on snow.
     
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    They roll slow as shit and wear pretty fast. They do grip though. For my money I'll go with something a wee bit less grippy and longer wearing.
     
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    I like them in the front, they are sloooow in the rear.
     
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    I think I'd really like them as a front tire if the carcass was rounded off a bit. They're square as fuck though. I want to lean over more before hitting the side knobs.

    That absolutely contributes to the slow rolling too. You get over by half a degree and you're on the side knobs.
     
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    Thanks guys I think I'll skip em then... Overly square is not how I like front tires.
     
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    I'll chime in quickly and say that the LG1 tires have been utter garbage in my experience. Really slow rolling as others have mentioned, but absolute doom in the wet. I had one of my worst crashes ever when the tire let go unexpectedly on a generally sticky-when-wet rock on Dirt Merchant. I've ridden Dirt Merchant dozens of times in the wet, and was riding comfortably at speed when the tire let go. While I was willing to chalk it up as a fluke, they have proceeded to be pretty sketchy in wet weather locally as well. They do grip well in loose/dry conditions, and can hold an off camber line fairly well...until they let go, which can happen pretty suddenly.

    Front tire wore exceptionally quickly, and to top it all off, I double flatted the front and rear tires on the fire road to Creekside in Whistler, and both casings were rendered unrepairable. They roll too slowly for the lack of durability and grip in the wet.
     
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    As long as the marketing department can keep spewing word vomit?
     
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    Another Magic Minion. Looks like it would work well for my trails.
     
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    Yeah, that
     
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    Specialized Emulator?
     
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    Just got a set of 2.3 27.5 Grid Emulators for the trail bike - 878 grams. 57mm at the side knobs, 54mm casing on a 25mm internal rim. Pretty low volume. I'm definitely going to return one for a 2.6 to run on the front.
     
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    From Specialized tire description: "The Eliminator still has the bite of a DH tire, but also brings the manners to handle well on hardpacked trails. These characteristics also work well for trail e-bikes, too—combining the bite needed to stay in control on the trail with neutral handling on fire roads."

    That second sentence is one of the most concerning product descriptions I've ever read.
     
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    It looks like a trail version of the Assegai but when i got them the knobs are much smaller than pics lead you to believe. The Eliminator is a dry, loose over hard tire.
     
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    Looks to me like a (slightly beefed-up) overhaul of the Purgatory, and a competitor to the Maxxis Aggressor.
     
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    Filling a slot between Purgatory and Butcher? Does does not sound too bad.
     
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    pubuatory?
     
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    The best comparison is a SE4 with better side knobs. Which I would use for the same purpose as an Aggressor or Purgatory. The center knobs are more ramped though.
     
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    those are all decent tires. I found the Purg to be a bit wimpy. I find the side knobs on the Aggressor tend to wear out a bit quick. I have the SE4 on my rigid SS cruiser and have been pretty impressed with their rolling speed and bite. But I haven't really used them in challenging terrain. I haven't really bothered to seek out a Trek dealer to have a closer look though. I'd love to have a look at one of these eliminators, but the serious bike shops around here are dropping Specialized. The last shop I spoke with said their minimum order is too big. The only dealer left is one of those "lifestyle" retrailers, and they don't carry mountainbike inventory. They'll order stuff for you, but I can do that myself. and it usually costs less and comes straight to my door.
     
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    RE: the Emulator; so far I've found:

    - Side knobs hold longer in the dry than Aggressors (by quite a bit) or DHR 2s. Still easy to control when they let go.
    - Pack up with mud pretty easily as expected
    - Deeper tread than Aggressors give better hold in dry loose conditions

    I swapped the second 2.3 for a 2.6, but rain finally started here so I probably won't mount them back up until next summer. As a loose over hard conditions tire I like them a lot so far, although I worry about the sidewalls.
     
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