http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=2&u=/nm/20041109/ts_nm/iraq_usa_dc
RIP guys, wonder why GWB didn't do this *before* the election??
RIP guys, wonder why GWB didn't do this *before* the election??
great... 10 US Soldiers dead in Falluja
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This assault has been up to Primie Ministar Allawi, i thought, not GWB. Anyway look on the bright side,
"Enemy casualties, I think, are significantly higher than I expected," Metz said, adding that "a very small number" of enemy fighters had been captured.
This is urban warfare. We're gunna take some casualties. I believe I have read this is the biggest urban offensive since the Marines in vietnam at Hue City.
History in the making folks.
"Enemy casualties, I think, are significantly higher than I expected," Metz said, adding that "a very small number" of enemy fighters had been captured.
This is urban warfare. We're gunna take some casualties. I believe I have read this is the biggest urban offensive since the Marines in vietnam at Hue City.
History in the making folks.
Oh yeah... I'm sure the Iraqi governing council is in complete control of all the decisions. 
However, to have only lost 16 soldiers in a 2 day urban battle, where the enemy has had time to plan and booby-trap everything is actually doing pretty well. I'd bet more people see it as a positive for Bush than a negative.
update from MSNBC
However, to have only lost 16 soldiers in a 2 day urban battle, where the enemy has had time to plan and booby-trap everything is actually doing pretty well. I'd bet more people see it as a positive for Bush than a negative.
update from MSNBC
I blame Kerry for this!
I he hadn't such a waste and blown the election he'd be in charge there real soon..
I he hadn't such a waste and blown the election he'd be in charge there real soon..
no, I blame the guy who successfully "protected" us from the WMD that wasn't there. in the words of Colin Powell, "You broke it, you bought it Mr. President". 
Colon Powell? The guy that testified in front of the UN saying that Iraq was an immediate threat as he held a vile of fake anthrax? Yeah, good quote there.dante said:no, I blame the guy who successfully "protected" us from the WMD that wasn't there. in the words of Colin Powell, "You broke it, you bought it Mr. President".
Changleen said:
That isnt exactly good news chang. I mean, if your interest is saving human lives and all
Easy there killer, some of us have people who are very dear to us over there risking their lives. And a large portion of that "some of us" could give a f*** whether you deem the end , or the means, as a worthwhile cause.Changleen said:
To take an extraordinarily complex and ugly situation and reduce it to fodder for e-bashing is simplistic to the point of being extremely offensive.
VOTE S1NGLETRACK!! Right on the money.
You expect me to dignify that with a response?Changleen said:
glad you live in new zealand rather then over here. That is the stupidest thing i have ever heard comne out of your mouth. I love people who try and justify war as being legal vs illegal.Changleen said:
Guess what? You breached another countries sovereignty, therefore any war is illegal. by definition.
Being a soldier is a job. They join and are trained to serve. It is not their position to question orders, simply carry them out. If you decide to be a pansy and back out, then i hope you are hanged for bailing just when you country needs you the most.
Let me make it very clear, i do not support bush's insane policies for the most part (economically he has very sound policies). But Saddaam HUssein was not a nice man, and had to go. Maybe the war was started out of BS pre-texts, but it's on. You can't very well just get up and leave now, it has to be finished.
Anyone with a half a brain would know something about valour, integrity and honor. Apparently you do not have half a brain.
broad generalization: people who discuss matters like this the way you do, have no real clue about how the world actually works around their sheltered little bubbles of freedom. Please get a clue and call me in the morning.
Guess again. I've just chosen not to take the rantings of some idealist twat in NZ seriously. I might feel passionately about some things, but that doesn't mean that I chuck reason and compassion out the window whenever my chance to mount the soapbox comes around.Changleen said:
wow someone needs to grow up.Changleen said:Me too!
Halucinating now are we?
Don't forget pointless and stupid! Stupid especially.
Thanks Prof. Trancend.
Good job for brainless fools then. No great loss if they don't come back.
I'll let those with loved one there rip on you now. I will also support banning you from this forum until you learn to have a little respect.
don't worry about it, he is just bitter his sheep isn't putting out this week.s1ngletrack said:
Thanks, Dali F***ing Changleen Lama... What was his name again? George Bush? Nope, that's not my brother.Changleen said:
No, I have a whole brain. People with a whole brain can also critically appraise a situation before they get into it, and realise - Hey, this is going to be a stupid, pointless war! I don't want a thing to do with it!Transcend said:
Broad generalization: People with no argument attack the messenger, not the message.
I glad that you are enjoying your time in the spotlight here. I'm happy for you that you live a life that affords you opportunities to make broad generalizations about the value of hundreds of thousands of people that you do not know. It must be a great thing not to worry about the fact that your brother, with a wife and two kids, is leaving for Iraq, for the second time, in less than a week. That must be really nice for you - it seems to be working out well - all of that - and such intelligence and compassion to boot.
Golly - you're just a modern day Ralph Waldo Emerson, aren't you? Bet they never taught you that he was a spoiled little blue - blood (upper class) b1tch who knew that, aside from one lonely night as a martyr, he could act with impunity, because someone would be there to clean up after him.Changleen said:
ya, it is called being a pussy.Changleen said:
You take advantage of what your country offers you for employment and training, and then when you are actually called to do you job, you decide you can't hack it and pull out. Don';t join the millitary if you dont want to go to war. It is simple.
You have zero argument, except to call a war stupid, and illegal. One of which is an objective claim, the other is by definition, correct but not in the way you use it.
As for going back to class...call me when you get yourself a PHD in international relations k? k great. In the mean time, go back to pumping gas.
HELLO? Do you understand why you are in Iraq? You're 'cleaning up' (killing innocent people) after a liar and a self interested agenda of idiocy and hatred! Don't try to spout cr4p about freedom and democracy. Iraq has NOTHING to do with either of those things.s1ngletrack said:
Yes... ever heard of simple respect?Changleen said:
Regardless of your and I's opinion of the war, the men and women that are fighting this war deserve respect. Grow up and accept that not everyone thinks exactly like you. If you are unable to convince them that you are right, that doesn't make them the brainless one!!!
You know what? I don't give 1 f*ck about the 10 dead americans. I care more for the 839 Iraqi's they slaghtered before they died... ****ing senseless man.
Is the equation of taking a genuine moral standpoint with 'being a pussy' taught as part of being part of your PHD? Sounds like you're getting a quality education there. No child left behind, I suppose.Transcend said:
And yes, my point IS that the war is stupid, pointless and illegal.
Hey nut5sack - have I once, in any post on this site (or anywhere, for that matter) - said that we should be in Iraq? What was that cute little saying about messages and messengers that you used not 4 posts ago?Changleen said:
mattv2099 said:
wow - that was compelling.