IS SUB 40 lbs POSSIBLE? How

DIRTWRKS · Feb 13, 2005

dexter said:
alright if i can get a yeti dh9 down wayyy low to 39.3 lbs anythings possible.

small dh9 frame pushed rc with ti spring and full ti bolt kit
hadley hubs, gold on 823's with aluminum short ass nipples with bladed front spokes and revos in the back
thomson masterpiece post with flite slr seat
thomson 50mm stem with easton carbon bars cut down an inch or so
dura ace ti casset 25 or 27 tooth max i think
mag + brakes and ti hardware
2.35 rear single ply minion rear tubeless, 2.5 minion single ply with speacil knobs cut tubeless
new xt cranks, ti hardware, race face zeus bb cups (or holzfeller cranks and fsa ti bb but i love the stiffenes of the xt's)
odi ruffian lock ons
sram x9 shifter xo rear der
slider+ fork with cutom ti spring
welgo mag pedals with dmr ti axles

same parts but a new dorado with a ti spring will hopefully be on my sinister r9 and should weight about 38 or so

Where can you get Ti springs for a Dorado ?

BMXman · Feb 13, 2005

ncrider said:
So I'm jumping aboard cause it seems there are some knowledgeable weight droppers in here right now. Here's my parts list. Any recomendations for weight savings?

FRAME: Vpfree
REAR SHOCK:5th elem.
FORK: 888
REAR DER: Shimano M750 GS (XT)
FRONT DER: Shimano M580 (LX)
SHIFTERS: Shimano M570 Rapid Fire (LX)
CRANKSET: TruVativ Holzfeller 22/32 Rock Guard
BB: TruVativ Giga Pipe Team DH
CASSETTE : Shimano HG 70 11/32 (XT)
CHAIN: Shimano HG 73 (XT)
BRAKES: Avid Juicy 7 w/8" rotors
BRAKE LEVERS: Avid Speed Dial 5
BARS: Easton EA 70 Monkey Bar
STEM: Easton Vice
GRIPS: Lizard Skin Logo
HEADSET: cane creek s2
SEAT POST: Thompson
SADDLE: fizik plateau
WHEELS: Mavic EX 729 rims laced to a WTB(150mm) rear hub and White(20mm) front hub w/DT 14/15 spokes.

TIRES: MAxxis mobsters 2.7front 2.5rear
TUBES: xc
PEDALS: Primo

what's your main type of riding...I can see a lot of areas i would go lighter on but it depends on what's the primary use of the bike...D

HRDTLBRO · Feb 13, 2005

'05 Ti Boxxer springs can be found here . If i'm not mistaken, I had heard the '05 springs and earlier were very close in size, but i'm not for sure.

toodles · Feb 13, 2005

trailhacker said:
I could have went down more with Ti spring on shock, Boxxer kit from UK (forgot what it was called), carbon seat post, hayes mag plus brakes (carbon levers and ti hardware), etc.

The Mojo kit? I've got one in my Boxxers and not only did it improve the suspension considerably, my fork weighs 2940g including axle, both crowns and uncut steerer. Lightest (and cheapest) DH fork worth riding.

My Turner isn't far above 40lbs - changing to a Ti spring or DHX shock, and swapping the Azonic Outlaw wheelset for a 521 set would probably bring it under.

Jm_ · Feb 13, 2005

MaD666MaX said:
Santa Cruz Bullit 2003 Medium with 5th element
Marzocchi Super-t 2002
FSA Pig DH Pro
Race Face Diabolus crank
Syncros Mental pedals
MRP System 2 Slalom
BlackSpire DH 38t
Hayes HFX-MAG 8
Mavic d321
Ringlé ABBAH SOS (f/r)
DT Champion
Michelin Comp32 2.8/Comp24.1 2.5
IRC (standard tubes)
Shimano 105 cassette
Shimano XT chain
Thomson post/stem
Pro Taper 2"
Shimano XT shifter
Fizik Atlas
Shimano XT derailleur
ODI Lock-On Rogue
mine weights about 39pounds and its amazingly strong

Santa Cruz Bullit 2003 Medium with 5th element A little over 9lbs, say 4100g
Marzocchi Super-t 2002 7.5lbs, 3405g
FSA Pig DH Pro 219g w/starnut
Race Face Diabolus crank ~1200(more if it's 2 rings)
Syncros Mental pedals ~500g
MRP System 2 Slalom ~300g?
BlackSpire DH 38t Included w/cranks
Hayes HFX-MAG 8 1000g
Mavic d321 1100g for two
Ringlé ABBAH SOS (f/r) F=216g R=~300g?
DT Champion 430g total for 64
64 brass nipples 66g
Michelin Comp32 2.8/Comp24.1 2.5 3000g
IRC (standard tubes) 400g
Shimano 105 cassette 235g
Shimano XT chain 300g
Thomson post/stem 225g+160g(50mm)=385g
Pro Taper 2" 248g
Shimano XT shifter 125g
Fizik Atlas 460g (ouch!)
Shimano XT derailleur 240g
ODI Lock-On Rogue 132g

18145 excluding cable housing, grease, seatpost binder, rear QR....39.967, figure just around 41lbs when you add that stuff and other odds and ends (handle bar caps?)...

Definitely a good build, reliable and fairly light, although you could definitely lighten up and go to a different seat! :thumb:

holliswood · Feb 13, 2005

bullcrew said:
Who's got a rig thats sub 40 lbs, and is made for aggressive free ride and downhill racing? what frame and combination of parts!

What is the average weight of a freeride bike or downhill rig made for big drops and aggressive courses.

My Gemini should be done by Tuesday and it should easily be 39-38 pounds. I will post pics when it is done.
Getting a bike below the 40 pound weight limit isn't that tough if you have a good semi light frame to start with (not something like a demo 9), and then you have the coin to make it happen. Thats really all it takes!

punkassean · Feb 14, 2005

My old DHi was 38.5lbs with an X-Vert carbon and some light-ish tires. It was about 42 with Intense tires and tubes but I could run 15psi no problem

scrublover · Feb 14, 2005

FR/DH "light" compared to some of these rides. 7" front and rear.

04 Weyless 67 frame 16" size, Manitou Swinger 3-way coil shock ti mount bolts, RCS ti spring, ti bolts for the dropouts/swingarm pivots

05 Boxxer Ride (waiting on the 06 MoCo internals to put in....)
DK mph headset, alu bolt for the starnut
E-13 Boxxer direct mount stem
Answer Protaper bars, uncut 2" rise with Rogue lock on grips
Suntour thumby front shifter, SRAM 9.0 twisties, alloy mount bolts
Avid Juicy-5 brakes, 203mm front, 185mm rear, ti mount/CPS bolts
Hope Bulb front & rear, Mavic 819 rims, 15/16 spokes, alloy nips/xc tubes/Panaracer Fire FR 2.4 tires/Hope rear QR
Race Face Evolve XC cranks 22/32/bashring, alu chainring and fixing bolts
XT 12-34 cassette with some aftermarket alu lockring
SRAM X.9 short cage rear mech, SRAM pc-59 chain
Shimano M646 pedals, XT something or other front mech, ti bolts
generic ti post, generic ti rail seat recovered

36.2# as is, up to 38 or so when i toss on DH tires.

and yeah, the seat's up. i have to ride up to get down, so the light weight is appreciated. i can get away with alot of the light stuff, as i only weigh 145# soaking wet.

dexterq20 · Feb 14, 2005

39 lbs

Transcend · Feb 14, 2005

bullcrew said:
Who's got a rig thats sub 40 lbs, and is made for aggressive free ride and downhill racing? what frame and combination of parts!

What is the average weight of a freeride bike or downhill rig made for big drops and aggressive courses.

All right 50 posts later, lets take it to the level. Post pics of sub 40lb rides and specs to give ideas to other would be builders or builders, pro's etc...
Anyone generally intrested in making their ride a little lighter and more fun.

It is quite easy actually.

We had our entire line of team bikes under 40lbs with diff parts, some as low as 36lbs. Not bad for a 9" travel DH bike with a 9.5" shock on it...We didn't really do anything special either (223, truvativ, RS, 5th, maxxis, mavic).

This year they will be ridiculously light due to some new sponsors making lighter gear.

edit

nly picture i think i have online right now

Gelbwurstbrot · Feb 14, 2005

Dirt Works Piranha
Manitou Dorado
Chris King Headset
Easton Monkey bar
Thomson seatpost
Flite titan saddle
Mavic EX721/Hadley wheelset
Hayes Brakes/carbon levers/203er rotors
Michelin C16/C24
XC tubes
Truvativ Holzfeller cranks
Race Face Signature bottom bracket
Shimano 646 peddals
Dura Ace Rear Derailleur
Ultegra Cassette
Mr. Dirt Chainguide

There are still possibilities to save weight:
Middleburn cranks
Mallet M peddals/ with optional ti axle
Tubless
Formula Oro brakes
Ti-Spring for the Romic

McGRP01 · Feb 14, 2005

My Giant is just over 41 lbs.. Pretty close.

MikeD · Feb 14, 2005

Also right around 40 lbs, could be lighter with different cranks/BB and fork. Running UST tubeless.

Zark · Feb 14, 2005

My m1 is 46 pounds and climbs like crap. Do I care? No, not enough to spend money on it.

Hit the gym pu$$ies, before I call the whambulance!

MikeD · Feb 14, 2005

Zark said:
My m1 is 46 pounds and climbs like crap.

But it warrantees excellently, which is really what matters, right?

Zark · Feb 14, 2005

MikeD said:
But it warrantees excellently, which is really what matters, right?

Touché
Well, the new front triangle has held up well so far...

-BB- · Feb 14, 2005

bullcrew said:
"04" bullit large
deemax 36 spoke rims
maxxis minion 2.35 dh 40d tires Maxxis UST Highrollers 2.35 730g each on Stans
hope mono 6ti brakes 205mm rotors
avalanche dhs 2.75 5th w/ Ti spring
boxxer team black boxxed
hussefelt cranks Truvativ Stylo Team crank (612g)
fsa 118 bb platinum pro
bulletproof pedals
xt front der
xt cassette
vuelta rings 22 & 32
bg ti saddle
thomson post and stem (cut down)
world force bars
x.9 shifters and rear der.
pc 59 chain
odi loc ons
e-13drs 36th bashguard

....................

Kevin · Feb 14, 2005

I posted this list a while ago I think but some things have changed...

'05 Medium Santa Cruz v10 with Fox DHX 5.0
'03 Manitou Dorado DH
Ck Headset
'05 Easton Monkeylite DH
ODI Ruffian Lock On's
Avid Juicy 7 DH (rear) and Extreme (front)
Easton EC70 Carbon Seatpost
SDG Bell Air seat
Mavic 721 rims
DT Swiss Hugi FR (front and back)
Sapim Race spokes
Highroller 2.5 and Minion DHR 2.35 (both Slow Reezay)
E-Thirteen SRS and E-Thirteen G-ring T6 alu Chainring
Truvativ GigaPipe DH BB (73, 128mm)
Truvativ Holzfeller Cranks
Dura Ace Super Short Rear mech der.
Ultegra Cassette
SRAM Powerlink Hollowpin Chain

Dont know what the weight will be, Im guessing pretty light.
Just waiting for the front hub but its taking ages :mumble:

Mani_UT · Feb 14, 2005

Another exemple:

Not even a Ti spring yet:

VEntana El Cuervo (small)
Fox RC push
888 w/ GR crowns
Hadley wheels w/ 823, supercomp spokes
Com 24 2.5 tires
Custom chainguide (carbon)
SRAM triggers / duraace cassette & derailleur
SAINT cranks!!! (Heaaaavy)
Thomson seatpost, EA70 bars, King headset
M4 brakes (180rear, 200 fr)
Easton pedals

Total weight: 39.8

Obsiously just swapping cranks and putting some Ti in there would lower it significantely

Mani_UT · Feb 14, 2005

bullcrew said:
you ride with go-ride.

You got that right!! I do not ride FOR go-ride. I ride WITH go-ride (the people that is

Spunger · Feb 14, 2005

Just don't be too stupid in the search for sub 40lbs. My protaper bars don't way much more than the Monkeylite Carbon DH bars and I feel like I have strength at the bars. If you're racking WC (world cup) circuits where there's not a Gnar of rocks and such then Carbon and Ti and everything else is ok. Get what is the best light to strength factor for how you ride.

Here's an example of my rig

2002 Intense M1 with 450 steel coil 5th element
Marzocchi Shiver DC w/integrated stem
Answer Protaper bars
Shimano XT rear derailuer and shifter
E.13 chainguide
Truvativ holzfeller cranks
Truvativ DH BB (gigapipe)
Hayes 8" discs F & R
Shimano DX pedals
FSA Pig DH PRO headset + Headlock
WTB Ti railed DH seat
Thomson Post cut down
Hope Collar
Hope rear 12mm Bulb TA hub
Marzocchi 20mm Front hub
14g DT/WS spokes with Brass nipples
Arrow DHX rims 32h
Maxxis Mobster 2.7f/2.5 rear SR
Hutchinson Green DH tubes

All in all I calculated it to weigh somewhere betwen 44 and 45lbs. Exactly 44.67lbs. My build is by no way light weight at all. But for strength to weight it's excellent for me.

I know I can drop weight though where needed. The biggest step is tubeless. I'd loose close to half a pound to 3/4 of a pound going tubeless on my current wheelset. I have 1lb in tubes alone on the bike. That'd drop it down to 44 exactly. At that point changing out things that only give me grams is pushing it. A Ti spring would help but it's alot........and I had one that was too light. Ti springs in the fork would help.....but haven't seen them.......I think you get the picture though.

To go to carbon bars + seatpost + roadie seat + whatever road/XTR level stuff you go to it all costs $$$ and sometimes the gain isn't worth it. My XT cassette weights slightly more than a XTR but cost is like 2 times a XT. No point in going XTR in that case. Same with most parts on a bike. Sometimes it's not worth it

MikeD · Feb 14, 2005

Also, keep in mind that 41 lbs is only a pound under 42 lbs, just like 39 lbs is only a pound under 40 lbs...but we think of the 39 lb bike as somehow a lot lighter than the 40lb bike, whereas with a 45 or 47 lb bike, a pound doesn't seem like so much.

What I'm trying to say is that 40lbs isn't some magic number at which your bike is suddenly massively lighter and better...40.5 pounds is pretty light, and it might not be cost-effective or desirable to get to 40 or 39.75 lbs at that point, just to get to the "40 lb barrier..."

trailhacker · Feb 14, 2005

lovebunny said:
why are u using a demo as a xc bike. and u allready got a dhi

Why not? My trail bike is in pieces, my XC bike is for sale and I wanted to ride!
No one wanted to buy the DHi so I am working towards making it into a trail bike, but am having trouble finding a Ruckus swing arm.

Back in the day before DH bikes, my cromo Marin Pine Mountain HT weighed in at over 38lbs - HD Mavic "energy" rims, Boss steel cranks, other HD items so I would quit bending and breaking stuff. I went through 5 BB's in a 1 month stretch (3 broken, 2 twisted). I was hard on the bike! But the frame outlasted every component I ever put on it.

renegade999 · Feb 14, 2005

how do you guys like your braking rotors? a friend was running them and said that he lost power due to less surface area. any feedback?

Zutroy · Feb 14, 2005

I managed to dump a ton of weight by running the Kenda kevlar beaded tires in 2.35 instead of wire and 2.5 , and switched from 729s to 721. Can really feel the difference at a course like fontucky.

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