New Santa Cruz Bikes
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NICKEL: $1350 with Vivid Air 3.3 (complete bike pricing expected to start under $2k)
- Available June 15, 2010
- 125mm travel
- Patented APP suspension with angular contact bearings at the main pivot
- Hydroformed aluminum tubing
- Tapered head tube
- Cable routing for dropper seat posts
- 2 waterbottle mount locations
BUTCHER: $1350 with Vivid Air 3.3 (complete bike pricing expected to start under $2k)
- Available June 15, 2010
- 150mm travel
- Patented APP suspension with angular contact bearings at the main pivot
- Hydroformed aluminum tubing
- Tapered head tube
- ISCG05 tabs
- Cable routing for dropper seat posts
- Bottle opener on the derailleur hanger
I'm psyched for the Nickel, not a direct replacement for the Blur 4x but definitely close enough to catch my attention.
Vivid Air?
Vivid Air?
monarch 3.3 rear shock - it was early when i posted, LOL
IMO, that Nickel looks pretty spot on for a trailbike.
Nice work.
Nice work.
that pricing is killer!
hooray for single pivot!
killer lookin bikes for a killer price too and i do see it comes in rootbeer
killer lookin bikes for a killer price too and i do see it comes in rootbeer
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Minnaar's Nickel
info about syndicate bikes in vital feature...all one-off with bits from both bikes, nickel rear end.
Bummer they didn't use VPP2 on the Nickle, especially considering it's a single pivot that's not cheaper the Blur 4X frame used to be. Whatever, the cult will buy the hell out of them.
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How come I can't open any of the Vital videos anymore, even on my home computer that seems to have the most up to date version of Flash?! anyone else experiencing this? I'm using Firefox if that makes a difference. It's annoying caus' vital has great content.
back to the bikes... (keep in mind I couldn't see the video) is that essentially a linkage-driven single pivot? a la Commençal and Morewood? and do they replace the Superlight and Heckler?
back to the bikes... (keep in mind I couldn't see the video) is that essentially a linkage-driven single pivot? a la Commençal and Morewood? and do they replace the Superlight and Heckler?
is that a tree trunk bike stand i see in the last video??? that is awesome
id be interested to see at the end of the year if more Hecklers or Butchers are sold
id be interested to see at the end of the year if more Hecklers or Butchers are sold
ahhh I figured it wasn't an off the shelf frame.
I'm in the same boat as slyfink, the Vital videos all the sudden don't work on my home computer. But they work fine on work computer which is much more outdated than my home computer...
I couldn't get the SC videos to work either.
looking into the video thing...curious.
FYI, some news just came in, $1350 for frame is with Fox Float R, not Monarch
FYI, some news just came in, $1350 for frame is with Fox Float R, not Monarch
OK, so I got it to work with Explorer. Must have something to do with Silverlight then? Please Vital, don't force me to use Explorer to look at your site...
I like the commercial. Very much the groove I like to get into when I ride. I was right about it being a linkage driven single pivot. Though I wonder how they can patent that. I'm also not too keen on the "anti-marketing" of the other vids in there: "we could engineer it better, but eh! we're too cool for that".... what's that all about?!
Either way. The bikes look nice, and the simplicity of the single pivots is nice, and the price is nice. Hopefully SC will re-energize the market with good, low-cost bikes that are fun to ride. good on em.
I like the commercial. Very much the groove I like to get into when I ride. I was right about it being a linkage driven single pivot. Though I wonder how they can patent that. I'm also not too keen on the "anti-marketing" of the other vids in there: "we could engineer it better, but eh! we're too cool for that".... what's that all about?!
Either way. The bikes look nice, and the simplicity of the single pivots is nice, and the price is nice. Hopefully SC will re-energize the market with good, low-cost bikes that are fun to ride. good on em.
i don't use IE. FF on both pc and mac works for me. player isn't silverlight. anyways the issue is being looked into. thanks for hangin' in
That looks frickin' awesome. Butcher will replace the Heckler, it seems.
FF, Chrome and IE all work for me
thanks! I'm not very tech-literate, so a stab in the dark from me is in the really really really dark...!
anyways, thanks for looking into it, I knew I could count on the monkey to get this sorted out!
I have to agree on all accounts here. Its a SP w/linkage, been around for ages, what exactly are they patenting? Also, why did that video remind me just a tad of Ellsworth? Seems like they spent more time trying to justify why they didn't do something a certain way rather than talking about the benefits of what they did do.
The bikes do look really nice and the price is great. I would definitely have to give one of these serious consideration if I were in the market for a new trail bike.
Once single pivots start using a linkage to get better shock rates they aren't any simpler than any other suspension design. Same number of bearings/pivots as a VPP.
This year's gonna be interesting. New SCs, Evils, Spooky, NukeProofs, hopefully Turner RFX ...
While it may have the same number of pivots as a VPP bike. The majority of the lateral force will be on the larger main pivots instead of the smaller bearing in the links, reducing the service time.
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At first when I saw the leaked picture of the Syndicate bike at the Clif Bar dealio, I didn't like it. But then this morning I saw the press releases and I have to say that the Butcher is growing on me, a lot. I am curious what spec will be with each price point.
Also the links are well out of the way of the crap and allow for a cleaner frame front tri and rear swingarm options, look at a lot of the DWL VPP and other mini link designs and just to get the link design and characteristics, the frame configuration to me anyhow seems compromised just to get the links to work, totally backwards to me how ya create a frame, its the one beef I have with this mini link hype, and I like some of them some can ride great depending on what you want.
But some brands are a cluster fook in frame design because of it or so it seems, I'm oldschool so maybe I'm just too old lol.
These are clean, there are actually two links maybe they have found this to patent lol, since more is always better MOAR
And in this economic environment I think SC have hit a homer!
Vivid air interesting!
So this only mimics shock rate but not axle path or what?
how can it possibly mimic the axle path? Its a single pivot.
Its just designed to give a better rate to the shock then what the usual single pivots have.
Its just designed to give a better rate to the shock then what the usual single pivots have.
Yes I thought about that when I reread my post... Doh
So its just to get a more affordable bike with a good shock rate and maybe not the best axle path (cause they claim VPP as the best) but with Santa Cruz quality?
So its just to get a more affordable bike with a good shock rate and maybe not the best axle path (cause they claim VPP as the best) but with Santa Cruz quality?
That seems to be the case. I am quite excited about these bikes, because its where the industry needs to head. Cheaper, high quality bikes are the future to get the sport rolling. $3k DH frames can FO.
APP = Acroynynms Promote Performance. Kind of like the "Direct Drive" Specalized stickers.
It's a cheap single pivot. I don't understand all of the "hype"
It's a cheap single pivot. I don't understand all of the "hype"
Dunno that there really is all that much hype, other then the stupid acronyms that are almost required to sell things to idiots buyers these days.
But where the excitement should come from is from guys like you that recognize these things for what they are: Aggressive trail bikes designed to be ridden, and ridden hard. This way you aren't stuck with 4" bikes designed to appease off-roadies whose arseholes clinch tighter then a snare drum at the sign of a 4" root.
lol!
the Butcher will be a contender for my next all-mtn bike. now i'm just waiting for the darn Evil Sect to come out.