NK tests newklar weapon
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true 'dat.
This has good logic too, bu I'm not sure I agree yet.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1892453,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1892453,00.html
Looks like they may have tested another, or maybe PyongYang is falling into the sinkhole formed by the first test.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20061011/ap_on_re_as/koreas_nuclear_test_5
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20061011/ap_on_re_as/koreas_nuclear_test_5
I think I do.
A limited air war against North Korea by a coalition of states to effectively disarm any nuclear capabilities it has. Ideally, said coalition includes the Chinese, making Kim look like an ass to the people he brutalizes, possibly starting a chain reaction of internal; to borrow a doubletalk slogan from the Bush dynasty, "regime change".
Hopefully, such a limited scale air offensive would greatly reduce the number of refugees that would flee to China. However, one cannot be sure, and I think that's the one hurdle to Chinese cooperation.
Ahh Donald Rumsfeild was the guy you should thank for that one buddy. ;o)
He was on the board of directors of ABB when they sold the reactors to NK.
And was described by one of the other directors as "Strongly interested and involved in the Nuclear division of the company"
Also when he testified in front of a Senate enquiry into NK's nukes , he failed to disclose this fact to the Senate.
Just read this on a Dutch site so Ill try and translate the most important parts...
**** em.
bomb them back to the stone age...
oh wait.
oh wait.
Wouldnt it be nice if Japan, China, Russia and the US bombed NK back to the stone ages?
Theres your first step to world peace right there...
Theres your first step to world peace right there...
In hind site, perhaps we should have allowed the Japs to keep China & Korea
but they like us now.
this is what appeasement gets you:
http://www.youtube.com/v/7h3GPc_yMCE
http://www.youtube.com/v/7h3GPc_yMCE
Why we must fight...
Unlike what most polititians will lead you to beleive this is not a black and white world. Over appeasing will make someone think you are weak but being to aggressive and scaring the bajesus out of someone makes them desperate and dangerous. It is kind of like walking up to a stray pitbull, look scared and lack confidence it will leg hump you like a bitch. Start taking swings at it and it will try to rip your nuts off.
you don't swing your purse at a pitbull, sabrina; you give it a napalm colonic
I generaly have nothing to do with dog's bungholes.
You're hard like that.
What a great steaming load of sh*te!
Nice mix of half truths there matey...... The NK missles tests came after Bush changed from Clinton's method and started playing the berligerant retoric spouting bully boy.
Taliban/Al Qaeda.... Started under Regan and turned against the US under the 1st Bushes rule (gulf war).
it's a highly sardonic version of past events with no use but to entertain (and apparently 'tis also good troll fodder for the likes of you).What a great steaming load of sh*te!
Nice mix of half truths there matey...... The NK missles tests came after Bush changed from Clinton's method and started playing the berligerant retoric spouting bully boy.
but you mentioned NK missile tests. they've been testing missiles for many years now. were you asleep during the 90's?
No, it looks more like the standard Republican tactic of using bullsh*t as a reason to promote war.
"Don't have a reason to go to war?..... Take things out of context or actual timeline and make it up/fake it".
And the trolling bit is nothing more than a fall back postion for someone who's been caught out I recon.
"Don't have a reason to go to war?..... Take things out of context or actual timeline and make it up/fake it".
And the trolling bit is nothing more than a fall back postion for someone who's been caught out I recon.
Japanese are poohing their knickers about this. Probably selling the soiled knickers from vending machines too but that's another thread.
Transalted article from a Japanese weekly.
Nothing, but nothing, writes Shukan Shincho (Oct 19), worries Japanese more than the idea of a North Korean missile falling on their country.
From the circumstances surrounding its abductions of Japanese, it is clear that North Korean leader Kim Jong Il gives no thought whatsoever to the life or happiness of innocent people. And now, this international outlaw has the power to obliterate a foreign city at the push of a single button.
"The previous July, the North Koreans tested three types of missiles,"remarks military affairs analyst Motoaki Kamiura. "The Scud would be used against South Korea; the Nodong against Japan; and the Daepodong 2 against the U.S. The Daepodong 2 launch was a failure, but the tests of the Scud and Nodong were successful.
"Missiles must clear three criteria: range, payload and accuracy," Kamiura continues "The Nodong can carry a payload of 1 ton up to 1,300 kilometers. The only remaining question is accuracy. Even if it's off by a small degree, if it were aimed at a city the size of Tokyo, it's certain that major casualties would result. Of course any such move would mean a counterattack by the U.S. military that would cause the collapse of North Korea's system, so I don't anticipate such a scenario. But it's not completely impossible."
"North Korea is the kind of country that sees possession of nuclear weapons as being a source of pride, without giving any thought to the downside of increasing its own isolation," Mitsuhiro Sera, a military affairs journalist, tells Shukan Shincho.
Sera's scenario of a nuclear-armed missile hitting Tokyo is grim indeed:"I'd foresee a maximum of 1.3 million fatalities," he says. "According to one simulation, about 100,000 would be killed instantly, and another 300,000 would expire of secondary injuries within 30 days. But depending on the time of day and wind direction, fatalities could go as high as 1.3 million. Since Tokyo is so densely populated, several million more would suffer after effects."
In March 2004, North Korean party secretary Chae Tae-bok was quoted as saying his country would never use unclear weapons against South Korea "since they are our own brothers," notes Sera. "As development of a Daepodong 2 that can reach the U.S. hasn't been completed, Japan, which the North sees as a pawn of the U.S., could be singled out for attack. Efforts to reduce the weight of the warhead to under 1 ton will probably take from six months to a year, and then preparations to attack Japan would be complete."
That, the magazine says, gives Japan a year to work out a solution.
In a separate but equally worrisome article in the same issue of Shukan Shincho, meanwhile, a source in the Chinese Red Cross revealed that in early August, his organization received a request from its North Korean counterpart for 15,000 body bags. China was unable to respond immediately due to an urgent need for bags following the destructive earthquake in Java, Indonesia. By now, the magazine speculates, the order has been filled.
October 13, 2006
Transalted article from a Japanese weekly.
Nothing, but nothing, writes Shukan Shincho (Oct 19), worries Japanese more than the idea of a North Korean missile falling on their country.
From the circumstances surrounding its abductions of Japanese, it is clear that North Korean leader Kim Jong Il gives no thought whatsoever to the life or happiness of innocent people. And now, this international outlaw has the power to obliterate a foreign city at the push of a single button.
"The previous July, the North Koreans tested three types of missiles,"remarks military affairs analyst Motoaki Kamiura. "The Scud would be used against South Korea; the Nodong against Japan; and the Daepodong 2 against the U.S. The Daepodong 2 launch was a failure, but the tests of the Scud and Nodong were successful.
"Missiles must clear three criteria: range, payload and accuracy," Kamiura continues "The Nodong can carry a payload of 1 ton up to 1,300 kilometers. The only remaining question is accuracy. Even if it's off by a small degree, if it were aimed at a city the size of Tokyo, it's certain that major casualties would result. Of course any such move would mean a counterattack by the U.S. military that would cause the collapse of North Korea's system, so I don't anticipate such a scenario. But it's not completely impossible."
"North Korea is the kind of country that sees possession of nuclear weapons as being a source of pride, without giving any thought to the downside of increasing its own isolation," Mitsuhiro Sera, a military affairs journalist, tells Shukan Shincho.
Sera's scenario of a nuclear-armed missile hitting Tokyo is grim indeed:"I'd foresee a maximum of 1.3 million fatalities," he says. "According to one simulation, about 100,000 would be killed instantly, and another 300,000 would expire of secondary injuries within 30 days. But depending on the time of day and wind direction, fatalities could go as high as 1.3 million. Since Tokyo is so densely populated, several million more would suffer after effects."
In March 2004, North Korean party secretary Chae Tae-bok was quoted as saying his country would never use unclear weapons against South Korea "since they are our own brothers," notes Sera. "As development of a Daepodong 2 that can reach the U.S. hasn't been completed, Japan, which the North sees as a pawn of the U.S., could be singled out for attack. Efforts to reduce the weight of the warhead to under 1 ton will probably take from six months to a year, and then preparations to attack Japan would be complete."
That, the magazine says, gives Japan a year to work out a solution.
In a separate but equally worrisome article in the same issue of Shukan Shincho, meanwhile, a source in the Chinese Red Cross revealed that in early August, his organization received a request from its North Korean counterpart for 15,000 body bags. China was unable to respond immediately due to an urgent need for bags following the destructive earthquake in Java, Indonesia. By now, the magazine speculates, the order has been filled.
October 13, 2006
What is everyday Mr. and Mrs. Japanese saying about it? Not selling poo'd knickers but North Korea.
So if North Korea Nuked Tokyo the Japanese would sit there and let the US retaliate. Not that we wouldn't be tripping over ourselves to unleash a salvo or two into NK. I'm guessing the South Koreans would probably go into attack mode if that happened.
raise your hand if you have ethical issues on dropping t3h nukage on their civilians, if they drop t3h nukage on your civilians first.
(not me actually, just wondering who would).
(not me actually, just wondering who would).
It depends who did it. With North Korea the country is small and weak, we could probably quickly destroy their military capability quickly with conventional means. So basically I would support it only if it was the only viable way to prevent them from launching more nukage.
The Japanese really don't have the capability to launch an offensive strike even in retaliation. Hence the noise Abe has been making to change the Japanese Constitution to allow the military to develop offensive capabilities.
I try to avoid talking about these kind of things with Japanese people because they always adopt this hurt puppy kind of expression because they can't for the life of them work out why the rest of Asia hates them. The persecution complex gives me the sh*ts. That said I don't think people where I live are too worried, we're unlikely to be a target here unless Kim's secret plan is to rid the world of elderly rice farmers.
Does the average Japanese dude know what they did to the rest of Asia back in the day? I've heard they have adopted a bit of "if we don't talk about it" it didn't happen attitude.
A lot of young people don't really have a clue and some will even express surprise there was a war and ask what side Japan was on. Others will know that Japan fought America but will express amazement that Australia was involved too. A lot of older people see themselves as victims as all they knew of the war was the hardships it caused. Others are of the view that Japan liberated Asia from European control and see know real reason why Japan needs to apologise for anything. There's also a lot of people who are genuinely sorry for what happened. All sorts really.
I work for a Japanese company and at a trade show they had a demo part displayed that was basically a shwastika. It took forever to explain to them why it was a bad thing to display. I think the only thing that finally convinced them I related it to the bad guys in the Indiana Jones movies.
Yeah there's a symbol used here that is used at temples that looks like a swastika with a few differences
Reak swastika
Japanese swastika
That is basically a reverse shwastika, they had the real nazi party symbol going on, or maybe the part was set upside down.Yeah there's a symbol used here that is used at temples that looks like a swastika with a few differences
Reak swastika
Japanese swastika
I can't link it but there is an undercover video in North Korea by Lisa Ling. Its going to be on national geographic explorer at some point before the year end I found it interesting that people only have pictures of the great leader and the dear leader in their homes. Or I wonder if that part was a setup as well.
Its kinda cool and pretty freakin' gutsy.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15249383/
Plus they aren't detecting any radioactive evidence so far from the test from the first studied sample.
Its kinda cool and pretty freakin' gutsy.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15249383/
Plus they aren't detecting any radioactive evidence so far from the test from the first studied sample.