[jonKranked]

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/push-industries-prototype-linkage-fork.html

pretty poorly kept secret. pretty much seems less "if" at this point as "when and what". anyone wanna take bets on the what?

given their propensity for producing as much as possible in house (or sourcing locally) - there's a fair possibility it could be an inverted fork. i highly doubt their new manufacturing site includes a foundry for casting lowers, and i'm not aware of any fork lowers being cast in the US, plus they're already experimenting with inverted designs.

conversely they could go the EXT route and source lowers from another suspension company, but that doesn't seem their style.

dual crown vs single crown? i could see it going either way. the proto shown was dual crown and inverted. the uppers look like they could potentially be carbon? hard to tell from the pic, but i do know at least one company in CO making carbon in house, so not a big stretch there. plus using carbon would help offset the weight increase of a dual crown fork.

i'd assume it'd be oriented to the trail / enduro market. 140mm to 160mm at least, possibly up to 180 (especially if they go the dual crown route).

i'd also wager they'd go coil over air. the 11-6 is coil, plus they are making aftermarket coil kits for other forks. definitely a performance over weight mindset.

please let there be at least an option for a 20mm axle.

 

[Happymtb.fr]

I bet on a look fournales design with, of course, a 11-6 built in.
•20mm monkey approved axle as an option and at a competitive price.
•Proprietary direct mount stem.
•Adjustable a2c depending on your head tube length.
•Innovative wheel path.
•Bespoke motion ration.
•110% made in coloRADo

Non-contractual picture

 

[Nick]

29"
1-piece carbon CSU
coil sprung + tunable air bottom-out
integrated neon flashers

I've said too much.

 

[Jm_]

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/push-industries-prototype-linkage-fork.html

pretty poorly kept secret. pretty much seems less "if" at this point as "when and what". anyone wanna take bets on the what?

given their propensity for producing as much as possible in house (or sourcing locally) - there's a fair possibility it could be an inverted fork. i highly doubt their new manufacturing site includes a foundry for casting lowers, and i'm not aware of any fork lowers being cast in the US, plus they're already experimenting with inverted designs.

conversely they could go the EXT route and source lowers from another suspension company, but that doesn't seem their style.

dual crown vs single crown? i could see it going either way. the proto shown was dual crown and inverted. the uppers look like they could potentially be carbon? hard to tell from the pic, but i do know at least one company in CO making carbon in house, so not a big stretch there. plus using carbon would help offset the weight increase of a dual crown fork.

i'd assume it'd be oriented to the trail / enduro market. 140mm to 160mm at least, possibly up to 180 (especially if they go the dual crown route).

i'd also wager they'd go coil over air. the 11-6 is coil, plus they are making aftermarket coil kits for other forks. definitely a performance over weight mindset.

please let there be at least an option for a 20mm axle.

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An inverted fork that isn't all twisty?

 

[jonKranked]

An inverted fork that isn't all twisty?

if anyone could - and be willing to make the decisions to achieve it - it's them.

 

[kidwoo]

dentists be like:

 

[jonKranked]

dentists be like:

push be like: money printer go brrrrrrrr

 

[kidwoo]

push be like:

 

[Jm_]

if anyone could - and be willing to make the decisions to achieve it - it's them.

 

[jonKranked]

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given their propensity for producing as much as possible in house (or sourcing locally) - there's a fair possibility it could be an inverted fork. i highly doubt their new manufacturing site includes a foundry for casting lowers, and i'm not aware of any fork lowers being cast in the US, plus they're already experimenting with inverted designs.

 

[Jm_]

Yeah, so we are going to make a heavier fork than the competition, using exotic engineering to work around the inherent disadvantages.

This screams Emerald and Trust.

The level of how good this has to be damping wise is going to be crazy.

 

['size]

Yeah, so we are going to make a heavier fork than the competition and expect that people will buy it.

This screams the MTB industry.

ftfy.
performance over weight seems like the norm for most 'serious' riders. define serious however you want. if I'm wrong you'll let me know but aren't all those avy damper replacements that so many swear by adding weight?

 

[jonKranked]

Yeah, so we are going to make a heavier fork than the competition, using exotic engineering to work around the inherent disadvantages.

This screams Emerald and Trust.

The level of how good this has to be damping wise is going to be crazy.

yea but i bet it won't creak.

 

[jonKranked]

Yeah, so we are going to make a heavier fork than the competition, using exotic engineering to work around the inherent disadvantages.

This screams Emerald and Trust.

The level of how good this has to be damping wise is going to be crazy.

THEY'RE NOT MAKING THE FORK I WANT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

[PUSHIND]

Yeah, so we are going to make a heavier fork than the competition, using exotic engineering to work around the inherent disadvantages

Right! I can't believe how heavy it is compared to a FOX 38! Wait...how much does it weigh?



Darren

 

[jonKranked]

Right! I can't believe how heavy it is compared to a FOX 38! Wait...how much does it weigh?



Darren

see? we just gotta say your name 3 times like beetlejuice. curious / excited to see what you have cooking.

 

[Jm_]

Right! I can't believe how heavy it is compared to a FOX 38! Wait...how much does it weigh?



Darren

More "enduro" DCs! That's what we want!

 

[kidwoo]

yea but i bet it won't creak.

it has pivots so it may be entering a new level of fork creak

 

[PUSHIND]

If you read the article you'll see the reason we've exposed this project is that we are NOT making it. This was something we did back in 2015.

 

[jonKranked]

it has pivots so it may be entering a new level of fork creak

Id bet the linkage version won't go to production.

 

['size]

If you read the article you'll see the reason we've exposed this project is that we are NOT making it. This was something we did back in 2015.

lol been waiting for someone to point that out.

 

[rideit]

Sometimes vaporware needs to stay vaped. But look at all of the eyeballs on this thing this week!

 

[kidwoo]

If you read the article you'll see the reason we've exposed this project is that we are NOT making it. This was something we did back in 2015.

right around trust development time

weagle threaten to sue you again, eh?

 

[bullcrew]

Yep pretty sure that's a piss poor executed design...checks all the "WTF" Boxes....including a couple of stupid design ones as well...

 

[jonKranked]

Yep pretty sure that's a piss poor executed design...checks all the "WTF" Boxes....including a couple of stupid design ones as well...

 

[jonKranked]

If you read the article you'll see the reason we've exposed this project is that we are NOT making it. This was something we did back in 2015.

re-reading the article, and reading between the lines, i'm changing my wager to a single crown fork.

 

[PUSHIND]

right around trust development time

weagle threaten to sue you again, eh?

Ha! Yes, I cover the Weagle timeline/discussions in the article. I can assure you that I'm still very much on his Christmas card list.

 

[PUSHIND]

Yep pretty sure that's a piss poor executed design...checks all the "WTF" Boxes....including a couple of stupid design ones as well...

If you don't ever get off the bench you'll never really know how to play the game.

In the article, I explain that this was a prototype project to explore possibilities. It wasn't meant to be refined....it was meant to be a platform for testing. We've built lots of "WTF" things over the years that don't go past our engineering department. This just happens to be the first time we've ever publically shown one of those projects.

 

[kidwoo]

Christmas card

subpoenas darren

They're called subpoenas

 

[jonKranked]

If you don't ever get off the bench you'll never really know how to play the game.

In the article, I explain that this was a prototype project to explore possibilities. It wasn't meant to be refined....it was meant to be a platform for testing. We've built lots of "WTF" things over the years that don't go past our engineering department. This just happens to be the first time we've ever publically shown one of those projects.

so what can you tell us about the new fork?

 

[kidwoo]

with all the electric shit already on bikes I just want two tubes that blow air downward and make a hovercraft instead of hosting a stupid archaic wheel

......and you fools thought your mullet bikes were cool

Im building a skullet. Nothin in the front with the party in the back

 

[Westy]

An inverted fork that isn't all twisty?

The links 'should' improve twistiness over your standard inverted fork. Why big airplanes use a link on landing gear.

From the direction that lower link would rotate it should have some anti-dive characteristics.

 

[Kanye West]

we are NOT making it.

Thank the fuck christ

 

[kidwoo]

The links 'should' improve twistiness over your standard inverted fork. Why big airplanes use a link on landing gear.

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From the direction that lower link would rotate it should have some anti-dive characteristics.

old strut front end snowmobiles too

 

[Jm_]

The links 'should' improve twistiness over your standard inverted fork. Why big airplanes use a link on landing gear.

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From the direction that lower link would rotate it should have some anti-dive characteristics.

Yeah, but you know what happens when you side-load those hard on landing? They shear right off...If you land hard enough they just punch through the fuselage, but if you do it right and sideload...

That said, some of the main gear can stand an impressive amount of side-load.

The torsion is one thing, but the lateral is the killer there.

 

[Westy]

Yeah, but you know what happens when you side-load those hard on landing? They shear right off...If you land hard enough they just punch through the fuselage, but if you do it right and sideload...

That said, some of the main gear can stand an impressive amount of side-load.

The torsion is one thing, but the lateral is the killer there.

I bet if you put a strut on either side of the wheel it could handle more side loads.

 

[canadmos]

 

[kidwoo]

Yeah, but you know what happens when you side-load those hard on landing? They shear right off...If you land hard enough they just punch through the fuselage, but if you do it right and sideload...

That said, some of the main gear can stand an impressive amount of side-load.

The torsion is one thing, but the lateral is the killer there.

because a mountainbiker and mountain bike system is the same thing as a loaded passenger jet landing at 150mph

same


like westy said, you also have one on each side just enhancing the structural support of a fork that already exists without the struts

It's not like a lefty ditching the square stanchion and going to a strut

 

[Bikael Molton]

USD mtb forks are a cute idea from 20 years ago. Let's leave them there.

 

[jonKranked]

because a mountainbiker and mountain bike system is the same thing as a loaded passenger jet landing at 150mph

same


like westy said, you also have one on each side just enhancing the structural support of a fork that already exists without the struts

It's not like a lefty ditching the square stanchion and going to a strut

and god forbid they experiment with new ideas instead of rehashing the same thing over and over again

RM: "why doesn't the bike industry try some out of the box thinking?"

also RM: "no not like that"