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Is it? As in it's coming on production bikes and everyone is using it?
Or alive-and-well as in it's on a prototype that appears to have adjustment built in, possibly for testing purposes?
I mean, maybe it'll make a comeback with just the right amount of squat dialed in and not every design is able to just bolt the brake on the stay/triangle and get good results. So there are constraints to the rear system if you want to bolt the brake to the stays or you can have "total freedom" by going to a floating system. If mfr A decides to use some whacked out linkage arrangement that can't bolt the brake to the stays, then I have to wonder if that whacked out linkage arrangement is doing anything above and beyond what other manufacturers are.
So it's definitely not out of the real of possibilities that we could see it come back IMO, just that there hasn't been a significant need for it.
@Tantrum Cycles worked with Brake Therapy back in the golden days of floating brake mounts. IIRC he said what killed them was the added complexity and the perceived weight they added to the bike.
IMO, you need some kind of anti-dive fork to make it work right, since your rear won't be squatting, otherwise you end up with the bike trying to pitch you forward on the steep stuff.
Structure Cycleworks
Structure Cycleworks: patented WTF front linkage suspension creates the world's most advanced mountain bikes. The SCW1 all carbon enduro bike is now at select dealers, resorts and online.
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Yep, with a good ole soggy horst link too! At least it's called the "WTF".Structure Cycleworks
Structure Cycleworks: patented WTF front linkage suspension creates the world's most advanced mountain bikes. The SCW1 all carbon enduro bike is now at select dealers, resorts and online.
I was there when Danny ripped the overall out of Pierrons grasp, hence ask Pierron if they can work?
I thought floaters went away because you had to replace the Heim joints after each ride.
Or was that just on Foes?
Or was that just on Foes?
Spent too much time reading through the 34 page thread on the Forbidden Druid on MTBR. Sounds like it rides fantastically well, but has a couple of small issues. Chain drags on the chain guard when in the 10t rear cog, which Forbidden commented on, sort of a non issue long term and it likes to eat idler bearings for some riders.
The eating of idler bearings and long term availability of spare idler cogs still concerns me.
The eating of idler bearings and long term availability of spare idler cogs still concerns me.
The idler in conjunction with a bottom roller guide (added noise and parasitic drag) is the one thing that kinda bugs me about this bike. Not a biggie on a dh sled, but on a shorter travel trail bike, effiency is key. The deviate does better in this regard - larger diameter (lower friction) idler, and no lower guide. Love the aesthetics of the forbidden, tho, and sounds like it rips.
I like the numbers on the new Konas. Wish they'd given the 153 the mullet option that the X gets.
www.pinkbike.com
Kona Announces New Process X & Aluminum 153 - Pinkbike
Kona's 2021 Process X offers a carbon frame and 162mm of travel while the 153 is now in aluminum.
The changes they've made are great, but deadset why the hell give the bike such a steep SA, but have the post move 30º backward for climbing height.... *eye twitch*I like the numbers on the new Konas. Wish they'd given the 153 the mullet option that the X gets.
Kona Announces New Process X & Aluminum 153 - Pinkbike
Kona's 2021 Process X offers a carbon frame and 162mm of travel while the 153 is now in aluminum.
Glad they lengthened the stays though. 425 was too squirrely when stuff gets rowdy.
You read it here first, adjustable fore-aft seats, to mount to your dropper post, controlled by another cable, so you have a thumb and trigger on the left side.
Aside from the yet again terrible frame graphics, this doesn't look bad at all and comes in aluminum as well. Adjustable geometry is nice too:
https://flowmountainbike.com/tests/first-ride-review-2021-giant-trance-x-29-2/?fbclid=IwAR1tJhdy9yYxiPsBy3YcC8vNdbsXD0KVZ1U2hqY8-yyA8DcMyYJMoYno61g
https://flowmountainbike.com/tests/first-ride-review-2021-giant-trance-x-29-2/?fbclid=IwAR1tJhdy9yYxiPsBy3YcC8vNdbsXD0KVZ1U2hqY8-yyA8DcMyYJMoYno61g
Kona finally got the numbers right with the new Honzo ESD. On my short list of wanted steel hardtail.
https://www.bikemag.com/gear/mountain-bikes/tested-kona-honzo-esd-2700/
https://www.bikemag.com/gear/mountain-bikes/tested-kona-honzo-esd-2700/
Graphics look clean and minimal on the pic you posted. Now, the white on in the review on the other hand...Aside from the yet again terrible frame graphics, this doesn't look bad at all and comes in aluminum as well. Adjustable geometry is nice too:
https://flowmountainbike.com/tests/first-ride-review-2021-giant-trance-x-29-2/?fbclid=IwAR1tJhdy9yYxiPsBy3YcC8vNdbsXD0KVZ1U2hqY8-yyA8DcMyYJMoYno61g
Comfy is personal preference. Want to try steeper? Push your dear all the way forward in the rails.
The dark ones look ok, the cheapest aluminum build looks the best imo. It's only on the brighter ones where you can see how unimaginative that design is.
Yeah, I agree with you. Let's remember though, we're talking Giant here. Expectations are low already. Less is more when it comes to mass market bike logos/colors. There's already logo overload w/ every component screaming for attention. If you'd ask most non-bike people what kind of bike the above is, they'd say: MAXXISThe dark ones look ok, the cheapest aluminum build looks the best imo. It's only on the brighter ones where you can see how unimaginative that design is.
STA looks too slack on the Giant, but I remain a fan of budget-friendly bikes with OK spec, available to the masses!
speaking of which, the status is looking pretty solid. the industry needs more stuff like this.
https://www.bikeradar.com/reviews/bikes/mountain-bikes/full-suspension-mountain-bikes/2021-specialized-status-160-review/
Damn, that is nice looking. Whats budget about it exactly?speaking of which, the status is looking pretty solid. the industry needs more stuff like this.
https://www.bikeradar.com/reviews/bikes/mountain-bikes/full-suspension-mountain-bikes/2021-specialized-status-160-review/
Kind of reminds me of the Pitch from years back. "Budget" and simple, but it was a great bike.
2600 Trump pesos. Pretty decent spec for the price. Looks like YT and the other European direct sale brands were hitting Mr Sinyard's revenue pretty hard.
Would ride any of those before giving money to special ed. Don’t care what it costs.
Wait a minute. I ride a 2005 hardtail.
I want to see a few more companies bringing out Mullet designs. It's ridiculous how many pros are running their bikes "mulleted" using either custom rear ends or linkages. Hoping us mortals can get a bike that is designed that way - doing it yourself fucks up too many things.speaking of which, the status is looking pretty solid. the industry needs more stuff like this.
https://www.bikeradar.com/reviews/bikes/mountain-bikes/full-suspension-mountain-bikes/2021-specialized-status-160-review/
Jesus, that is a brutally steep STA on a hardtail, especially with the sag you'd get from a 150mm fork.
Mine is 76 with a 130mm fork and I took my T-Mac pedals off and went back to a parallelogram shape just to get my foot a bit further forward. If you can tolerate the forward position or have small feet it would be beneficial as you don't have to compromise as much with your fork setup.
Also, do you really want an adjustable back end? It's fine if you do, annoying if you don't, I just get the scraper out and take all the paint off the sliding/clamping bits or they tend to start moving and loosening under load.
I welcome the opportunity to run a hardtail singlespeed. And you are correct for the SA, this would need to be demoed before commiting.
Yeah fair enough, I'd rather run something like a Blackspire Stinger as a tensioner or one of these with normal dropouts-
The Hello Dave is another hardtail in the formerly unrideable category, crazy long back end would reduce the feedback at the pedals a fair bit, reach is a touch shorter at 480.
The Norco Torrent is more suited to me but it is basically a 29er version of my current bike.
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oh damn the XL on one is aggressive. cheap, too. almost worth it for a shits & giggles build.
| MED/400mm | LRG/430mm | XL/460mm | ||
| A | Head Angle (degrees) | 62.0 | 62.0 | 62.0 |
| B | Head Tube (mm) | 110 | 120 | 140 |
| C | Top Tube Effective(mm) | 595 | 625 | 670 |
| D | Seat Tube Angle (degrees) | 77.0 | 77.0 | 77.0 |
| E | Seat Tube C-T Actual (mm) | 400 | 430 | 460 |
| F | Chainstays (mm) | 458 | 458 | 458 |
| G | BB Drop (mm) | 50 | 50 | 50 |
| I | Stack (mm) | 625 | 640 | 650 |
| J | Reach (mm) | 450 | 480 | 520 |
| O | Wheelbase (mm) | 1261 | 1296 | 1345 |
| P | front Centre (mm) | 808 | 842 | 892 |
Have you looked at the RSD Middle Child?
My 76/74 SA/HA Chromag seems to hit the sweet spot for me. But if I was riding it on Single Speed viable trails I think I would steer towards more traditional geometry. Especially the seat angle. I find steeper seat angles to be fucking annoying when standing without the seat dropped.
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76/64?
76 degree seat angle, 74 degree head angle.
I don't like a hardtail to be too long, I prefer it to be shorter than my FS, mostly reach-wise.
When too long it feels fun only on straight fast chunky lines. It doesn't invite to jump over stuff or promptly change direction. It's kind of boring... but it might be down to my limited ability to move around on a bike, I don't know...
For reference I am 5"9 (175cm) and like reach around 440-450 on my dual suspension bicycles. I have owned a 450mm reach hardtail but never really enjoyed it. My old trusty HT is around 420mm in reach and is a blast to adjust direction with the hips
When too long it feels fun only on straight fast chunky lines. It doesn't invite to jump over stuff or promptly change direction. It's kind of boring... but it might be down to my limited ability to move around on a bike, I don't know...
For reference I am 5"9 (175cm) and like reach around 440-450 on my dual suspension bicycles. I have owned a 450mm reach hardtail but never really enjoyed it. My old trusty HT is around 420mm in reach and is a blast to adjust direction with the hips