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mykel

closer to Periwinkle
Apr 19, 2013
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Bush pilots are a whole different breed. :eek:
I am constantly amazed what they can do with takeoffs and landings.

 
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Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Sleazattle
Fewer parts that can fail. Simplicity is reliability.
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
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Riding past the morgue.
Solid preflight
Preflight(s). Plural. That's not just some n00b FO missing a loose screw. Depending on how long the bodies have been up there, it might be dozens of flights. That's not an individual failure, that's an institutional failure.

How many service checks do you think it had?
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Preflight(s). Plural. That's not just some n00b FO missing a loose screw. Depending on how long the bodies have been up there, it might be dozens of flights. That's not an individual failure, that's an institutional failure.

How many service checks do you think it had?

FOD

Foreign Object Decomposing

Especially bad considering that when at altitude the bodies were getting freeze dried so decomposition would be significantly slowed.
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
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How could bag throwers/etc not smell it? Jet fuel overpowering it?

I guess that’s part of Westy’s answer, makes sense.
There are no smells on the ramp except exhaust, jet fuel, and maybe some glycol in the winter. The gear bay would probably have a whiff of skydrol mixed in. It would have to be BAD to be noticeable.
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
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Probably doesnt decay fast at -30F too, just on the ground if it can thaw out…
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
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Riding past the morgue.

"The plane’s two black boxes — key to finding out the cause of last month’s crash on the jet — stopped recording about four minutes before the accident, posing a challenge to the ongoing investigation.

Sim Jai-dong, a former transport ministry accident investigator, said on Sunday the missing data was surprising and suggested all power, including backup, may have been cut, which is rare."

:panic: That should be almost impossible. Backup electrical power is like, quadruple redundant in every commercial airplane I ever worked on.
 

DaveW

Space Monkey
Jul 2, 2001
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Sounds kinda suspicious to me. :tinfoil:

Kinda curious now as to the chain of evidence with the black boxes.
Who had access to it the whole way from collection to analysis and reporting.
 

stevew

resident influencer
Sep 21, 2001
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stevew

resident influencer
Sep 21, 2001
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flying in your mom's basement

 

stevew

resident influencer
Sep 21, 2001
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like a lead balloon

 

Avy

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Jan 24, 2006
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American Airlines Collision with BlackHawk? Have Mercy

Not American Airlines,was wondering with such a Low Human Body Count? I am not sure CNN is the Worst.

Avy
 
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Jm_

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Civilian airliners (all commercial turbine powered aircraft 10 seats or more) are required to have TCAS, which interrogates transponders and tells the crew to pull up or dive or whatever to avoid collisions. They are required to follow the traffic resolution that the system commands. I am interested to see if the military aircraft had their transponder on. Off would be absolutely bizarre in that airspace though. On top of that, ATC gets warnings based on the same transponder information when their computer detects a potential collision based on predicted trajectory. To have helicopters cutting through the approach path at the same altitude as the airliners on glideslope seems absolutely crazy. Here we have a "corridor" for the air force base where they fly their approach, we can go above or below it, but not in it, so it's physically separated.
 
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Jm_

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Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
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Riding past the morgue.
Civilian airliners (all commercial turbine powered aircraft 10 seats or more) are required to have TCAS, which interrogates transponders and tells the crew to pull up or dive or whatever to avoid collisions
No descending RAs below a certain altitude for obvious reasons. 1500ft if memory serves. I've read the Blackhawk might have been on a training flight and might have had TCAS and ADSB turned off, but that's speculation. Also there is apparently ATC audio telling the Blackhawk to pass behind the CRJ so absolutely fucking everyone should have been aware of a potential conflict. Just mind blowing to me that this could happen in that airspace. Someone cocked up big time.
 

Muddy

ancient crusty bog dude
Jul 7, 2013
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One's got to now wonder what else might have been going on w/ drone activity (last year, last year's tax returns...) just outside the area. Much in the way of the potential for hosting some rouge-form experiment of communications-networkings if not communications-networkings-jamming. Bandwidth hogging.