the one i rode the other day was just 14kg...apparently it's not the PWR but the weight of the bikes.
“We should not underestimate how many accidents happen among the elderly when getting on and off an e-bike. Such a bicycle is heavier than a regular one. Sometimes the problem starts because some older people do not take into account that their own physical possibilities are reduced.”
I'm puzzled as to why folk are dying while getting on and off their bikes though.
BTW. Have you actually ridden an E-bike?
People will modify bikes to circumvent speed and power limitations. I have a rather chubby friend who has been doing that on the street for a couple of years.
I don't get the reasoning here...don't you think it's a bit over the top to adopt a strong stance against something just because it can potentially be modified to potentially be unlawful? It's particularly ironic coming from mountainbikers, who are practicing a sport largely developed through illegal access.People will modify bikes to circumvent speed and power limitations. I have a rather chubby friend who has been doing that on the street for a couple of years.
Nice! Nope, had a couple of Toyo 45s, first a CF and then an A. Sold it off after my second kid was born and bought a DSLR. Just didn’t have the time to keep my technique second nature and wound up missing the light on some shots (I shoot landscape). When the kids are a little older I’ll go back to it, shooting on a dslr isn’t nearly as satisfying. Fvck load cheaper tho.Got an 8x10 Deardorff?
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Or a tasty pre-ww2 field 5x7 Linhof?
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My concern with mods has to do with trail damage, not with the Darwin effect.I don't get the reasoning here...don't you think it's a bit over the top to adopt a strong stance against something just because it can potentially be modified to potentially be unlawful? It's particularly ironic coming from mountainbikers, who are practicing a sport largely developed through illegal access.
People get hurt and (unfortunately) some even die riding regular bikes...what's the logic behind forbidding people to ride eBikes in order to prevent injuries? People can ride a street motorcycle without a helmet in several states FFS.
I find you have several good arguments against eBikes in the US (mainly regarding trail access), but you should stick to them and not try to attack eBikes from every possible angle, including weaker ones.
Disclaimer: I don't own an eBike.
OK, I understand. My comment on the Darwin was more directed toward Lelandjt.My concern with mods has to do with trail damage, not with the Darwin effect.
I think we're pretty much in the same place on this.OK, I understand. My comment on the Darwin was more directed toward Lelandjt.
I wouldn't be too concerned about this TBH. I doubt the modern eBikes (with the motor near the BB) can be modified in such a way to roost the fuck out of trail and do substantial damage. Also, since most of these are using Plus tires with tons of traction, I would not be surprised if the damage to the trails is less than that from narrow tires with poor traction...and considerably less than that from Sam Hill wannabee "drifting" wherever they can or n00bs skidding everywhere.
I think one valid point is that an eBike will likely cover longer distances for the same effort from the rider and I would totally be in favor of more expensive access tickets to eBikers for bike parks.
Maybe not but putting more hacks on trails definitely does. I'm already seeing it.I wouldn't be too concerned about this TBH. I doubt the modern eBikes (with the motor near the BB) can be modified in such a way to roost the fuck out of trails and do substantial damage.
Have you ever ridden a horse?prolly STFU then. You do realise they are limited to way lower speeds and wattage than any half decent rider can put out, eh?
Nothing to do with the bikes tho, eh?
That'd be pretty cool if it wasn't limited to less than any half decent roadie can average for 3 hours or so.the one i rode the other day was just 14kg...
What trail damage?My concern with mods has to do with trail damage, not with the Darwin effect.
No. Those things actually do cause ridiculous amounts of trail damage.Have you ever ridden a horse?
Yup. Saw a girl (did not look like an experienced rider) get ambulanced out of Sea Otter cause she came into a downhill turn too hot on an E-bike. But for street driving who cares, they could buy a scooter and wreck even harder.The e-bikes I've seen are limited to either 23 or 28 mph. Either is fast enough for a shitty rider to get in over their head. Combine that with the weight and I'm not at all surprised to hear of accidents. That's why Summit County banned them from the rec paths.
Luckily I'm also starting to seemore signs at trail heads telling e-bikes to fuck the fuck off. They had new ones at Fort Ord that weren't there last year. I also heckle them on the trails so they feel bad about their life choices.Maybe not but putting more hacks on trails definitely does. I'm already seeing it.
This is massively invalid for my use TBH.I think one valid point is that an eBike will likely cover longer distances for the same effort from the rider and I would totally be in favor of more expensive access tickets to eBikers for bike parks.
Yup. Saw a girl (did not look like an experienced rider) get ambulanced out of Sea Otter cause she came into a downhill turn too hot on an E-bike. But for street driving who cares, they could buy a scooter and wreck even harder.
Luckily I'm also starting to seemore signs at trail heads telling e-bikes to fuck the fuck off. They had new ones at Fort Ord that weren't there last year. I also heckle them on the trails so they feel bad about their life choices.
But as I have said before I don't give a shit if you ride an e-bike on the street or in an OHV area. Just don't wanna see you on the human powered trails.
I just hate that companies are trying so hard to sell the next cool shit that they're convincing people who have otherwise no interest in mountainbiking to go buy one of these things and go fuck themselves up.
I do. If it's not authorized for motor vehicles then don't take your fucking vehicle with a motor on it.I don't even really care if they're on trails from a philosophical standpoint
haha...They even got Gary. He's riding around on this piece of shit neutered motorcycle trying to convince himself he's riding a bicycle.
Well that's good to hear. I'd think you'd have to ride it slightly differently to get the most out of it. Throwing it around like and popping off everything like you would on an Endurobike or light DH bike seems way more tiring, with braking zones slightly earlier and not very fun jumping it.Not that you care but It's annoyingly just as fast a descender as my Capra
.....hey wait a minutebut I'm learning that I have to ride it slightly differently to get the most out of it. Throwing it around like and popping off everything like I would on an Endurobike or light DH bike is way more tiring (Oh RLY?). braking zones are slightly earlier and I don't like jumping it nearly as much
you've seen how "mountainbikers™" buld trails these days though.I do. If it's not authorized for motor vehicles then don't take your fucking vehicle with a motor on it.
This. There are trails around where you can take you motorized vehicle. Ride there. Non-motorized, trail, however? NO MOTORS. It really *seems* simple...I do. If it's not authorized for motor vehicles then don't take your fucking vehicle with a motor on it.
Spent Sunday shuttling the Rock Creek OHV area in Georgetown. Those trails are mega blown out. Just loose rocks and ruts for miles at a time with some fun flowy sections thrown in to keep the stoke high. I assume you've made it out there?Most eroded, rutted moto trails are way more fucking fun. I want 10,000 moto riders on every trail up here from snow melt to dry off. Then exactly zero moto riders once it's dry.![]()
You're riding that Capra wrongNot that you care but It's annoyingly just as fast a descender as my Capra
Nah man, they can do line-locks and stuff. Have you guys even ridden with people on them? You can do burnouts for sure. It's the first thing I was doing when I demo'ed an unmodified e-bike. The modified ones are heaps better for it.I doubt the modern eBikes (with the motor near the BB) can be modified in such a way to roost the fuck out of trails and do substantial damage. Also, since most of these are using Plus tires with tons of traction, I would not be surprised if the damage to the trails is less than that from narrow tires with poor traction....
Do you know if the power still comes in the same? or is that delayed from running one of these things?@Gary - you can get bypass chips or speed sensor tricking plugs to get rid of the limiters. It's literally the first step to owning an e-bike (apart from handing in your man card). 25kph is the assist cut-off in Australia and most roadie commuters can do 40 anyway. If you get the simplest bypasses they half the signal so your cut-out becomes 50kph.
there’s an ohv system at the base of the part of pisgah we like to ride in. it’s maybe only a 1200’ descent, but man is it fun. we used to hit em in VA in the late 90s too. It’s always awesome to see the looks of shock on their faces when they see you on “their” trails-like you’re batshit crazy...it’s even funner when you pass them when you’re both going down.Spent Sunday shuttling the Rock Creek OHV area in Georgetown. Those trails are mega blown out. Just loose rocks and ruts for miles at a time with some fun flowy sections thrown in to keep the stoke high. I assume you've made it out there?
Dunno about the Shimano ones. Most of the stuff here is Bosch.Do you know if the power still comes in the same? or is that delayed from running one of these things?
I haven't even worked out how all the sensors work with regards to how the shimano motor adds power in. but it's definitely something to do with gearing/cadence.
Mine's 15mph... fucking stupid really when you're riding anything flat/smooth it might as well be off.
Man, I used to drive by that place all the time for work. I've never ridden it though. I'd always assumed it was just typical xc moto trails that probably don't have any sustained descending. I know it's kind of become a new hot spot for bikes. Holler next time you head out there, we can meet up. But that's exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking about. I'd rather ride stuff like that than bermed up bullshit any day of the week.Spent Sunday shuttling the Rock Creek OHV area in Georgetown. Those trails are mega blown out. Just loose rocks and ruts for miles at a time with some fun flowy sections thrown in to keep the stoke high. I assume you've made it out there?
I have 12 bikes man. No two ride exactly the same. Nevermind all of them. That would be retarded......hey wait a minute
All the info I've seen on the mod devices has been from sellers. be nice to hear from someone who has tried them.Dunno about the Shimano ones. Most of the stuff here is Bosch.
All of the best trails at a certain local mountain are hiking trails. Not the ones built by "mountain bikers" for mountain bikers. It's depressing.you've seen how "mountainbikers™" buld trails these days though.
Have done...like 20 years ago.Spent Sunday shuttling the Rock Creek OHV area in Georgetown. Those trails are mega blown out. Just loose rocks and ruts for miles at a time with some fun flowy sections thrown in to keep the stoke high. I assume you've made it out there?
That's a pretty sweet commuter. Needs Ti cranks and pedals but I'd ride one if I lived farther from work.the one i rode the other day was just 14kg...
All of the best trails at a certain local mountain are hiking trails. Not the ones built by "mountain bikers" for mountain bikers. It's depressing.
this is pisgahAll of the best trails at a certain local mountain are hiking trails. Not the ones built by "mountain bikers" for mountain bikers. It's depressing.