Tough high grip,Tough casing or light? High grip or fast rolling compound on that Judge?
What region do you ride in? I've been looking at these tires.
My go to dry weather front tire, on the exact same rim. In the rear I prefer Aggressor or DHR2, both in DD.short term report: minion dhf’s in DD casing (2.5 x 27.5, front and rear, 3c maxxgrip) are a pain in the ass to mount on ex471s, but each ride i have on them leads to increasing amounts of confidence in them and increasing levels of “fuck this shit i’m plowing/hucking it” with reckless abandon/zero burps/pinches/consequences. for now, once mounted, two thumbs the hell up.
Tread pattern looks similar to the old specialized clutch. I loved those tires. I would probably like these too but no little micro baby wheel size option. The clutch rolled slow as slugs. These look like they would roll a bit faster. The last WTB tire I ran was mark weir's model. The casing was a joke. Word is WTB is offering proper mid weight casings now.WTB tires are like Crank Bros anything for me... it’ll be a few more years before I’ll spend money on those.
Tread looks standard enough, though.
Magic Marys are the ticket where I am. I’m sticking with those for the foreseeable.
DHFs if I bother swapping them out for summer road trips.
Magic Marys are the ticket where I am. I’m sticking with those for the foreseeable.
So far the Vigilantes are better than the Magic Marys. Better grip, better size options (2.5), it kinda has a channel, they even clear mud better. And, I almost forgot to mention they are cheaper.Magic mary is still the best wet/mixed conditions tire as far as I'm concerned.
I liked the Vigilante as well but for my lowlands trails, I thought I liked the e13 TRS+ better.So far the Vigilantes are better than the Magic Marys. Better grip, better size options (2.5), it kinda has a channel, they even clear mud better. And, I almost forgot to mention they are cheaper.
The WTB train is leaving the station, y'all should get on. Or at least give them a try.
Interesting. My faith in WTB tires is shaky at best based on past experience, although their old inner peace casing was pretty good. How are they on slimy wet rock faces?Just got a few rides on the WTB Vigilante. Threw a 2.5 high grip on the front end. It's a bit tall and felt weird at first but once I got used to it I was absolutely loving it. More grip in the mud and loam than I've ever had before and handled fine over wet roots and rock. I took a chance on the lighter casing so we'll see how it holds up.
@djjohnr so far I like it better than a Magic Mary
Lot's of rocks and roots mixed with mud in between, although at the moment everything is crazy dry and hard as no rain for the last 3 weeks..... Wellington normally is pretty wet (higher annual rainfall than the BC's northshore).So is the loamy soil also rocky and rooty?
Surprisingly good. Rode Rockville with them on Sunday and they didn't have any issues. I was tentative at first but by the end of the day I was not thinking about them at all.Interesting. My faith in WTB tires is shaky at best based on past experience, although their old inner peace casing was pretty good. How are they on slimy wet rock faces?
I liked the Vigilante as well but for my lowlands trails, I thought I liked the e13 TRS+ better.
Yes! Using a 26" Vigilante as a rear tire. Used it previously in the front. Rolls ok considering all the knobs. It is tall as well and doesn't look much different from the 27.5 DHR II front tire I'm using now.So far the Vigilantes are better than the Magic Marys. Better grip, better size options (2.5), it kinda has a channel, they even clear mud better. And, I almost forgot to mention they are cheaper.
The WTB train is leaving the station, y'all should get on. Or at least give them a try.
For enduro my friend is currently test riding a sentinel with bonty xr4 tires. It's his first time on a 29er but he said he likes the tires and they have a lot of grip. He did put a hole in it so perhaps go for the se4? He's a DH guy like you. He will likely be using schwalbe for the next two years though (country distributor sponsorship).Anybody have any experience with "Trail" tires?
I have always run Minion/Mary style treads in light casings for the trailbike.
I put a RockRazor on last summer, and holy crap I love that thing. Goes like stink, and has nice big meaty corner knobs. Now the problem - leaves and pine needles make it a bit psycho as you can imagine, so spring and fall are sketchy.
If I could find something in between the semi-slick and the full depth tread but with full size corner knobs, I think I could be happy with the grip/rolling compromise. Big problem is that most of what seems to go as trail tires has little side knobs. Do these people not corner? - or am I just a DH hack who has to rely on big-assed side knobs to hang on?
Then there is sizing. Normally a 2.35/2.4 guy, but people keep saying that 2.4-2.6 is the way to go now that we have wide internal rims.
I'm thinking that my 225lb "hacktastic" self on balloony low pressure tires is a recipe I'm not sure I want to sample after trying a buddies 27.5+ 3.0" a couple of seasons ago.
These seem to sit between the Trail and the Enduro/DH with regard to knob size and height.
29" I30 rims
MaxxisRekon 2.4
Bonty XR4(SE?) 2.4
WTB Trailboss 2.4
Schwalbe HansDampf-2 2.35
???
I'm also good with an EXO/Snakeskin casing around here.
That or I just say F-it and go for a quicker rolling 2.3 3C Exo DHF / 2.3 Dual EXO DHR2 rear...
I bought the aggressor for this very purpose. Works well for me.Anybody have any experience with "Trail" tires?
I have always run Minion/Mary style treads in light casings for the trailbike.
I put a RockRazor on last summer, and holy crap I love that thing. Goes like stink, and has nice big meaty corner knobs. Now the problem - leaves and pine needles make it a bit psycho as you can imagine, so spring and fall are sketchy.
If I could find something in between the semi-slick and the full depth tread but with full size corner knobs, I think I could be happy with the grip/rolling compromise. Big problem is that most of what seems to go as trail tires has little side knobs. Do these people not corner? - or am I just a DH hack who has to rely on big-assed side knobs to hang on?
Then there is sizing. Normally a 2.35/2.4 guy, but people keep saying that 2.4-2.6 is the way to go now that we have wide internal rims.
I'm thinking that my 225lb "hacktastic" self on balloony low pressure tires is a recipe I'm not sure I want to sample after trying a buddies 27.5+ 3.0" a couple of seasons ago.
These seem to sit between the Trail and the Enduro/DH with regard to knob size and height.
29" I30 rims
MaxxisRekon 2.4
Bonty XR4(SE?) 2.4
WTB Trailboss 2.4
Schwalbe HansDampf-2 2.35
???
I'm also good with an EXO/Snakeskin casing around here.
That or I just say F-it and go for a quicker rolling 2.3 3C Exo DHF / 2.3 Dual EXO DHR2 rear...
Anybody have any experience with "Trail" tires?
I have always run Minion/Mary style treads in light casings for the trailbike.
I put a RockRazor on last summer, and holy crap I love that thing. Goes like stink, and has nice big meaty corner knobs. Now the problem - leaves and pine needles make it a bit psycho as you can imagine, so spring and fall are sketchy.
If I could find something in between the semi-slick and the full depth tread but with full size corner knobs, I think I could be happy with the grip/rolling compromise. Big problem is that most of what seems to go as trail tires has little side knobs. Do these people not corner? - or am I just a DH hack who has to rely on big-assed side knobs to hang on?
Then there is sizing. Normally a 2.35/2.4 guy, but people keep saying that 2.4-2.6 is the way to go now that we have wide internal rims.
I'm thinking that my 225lb "hacktastic" self on balloony low pressure tires is a recipe I'm not sure I want to sample after trying a buddies 27.5+ 3.0" a couple of seasons ago.
These seem to sit between the Trail and the Enduro/DH with regard to knob size and height.
29" I30 rims
MaxxisRekon 2.4
Bonty XR4(SE?) 2.4
WTB Trailboss 2.4
Schwalbe HansDampf-2 2.35
???
I'm also good with an EXO/Snakeskin casing around here.
That or I just say F-it and go for a quicker rolling 2.3 3C Exo DHF / 2.3 Dual EXO DHR2 rear...
Id add the new Specialized Equalizer. Its like an XR /SE4 but better side knobs.Anybody have any experience with "Trail" tires?
I have always run Minion/Mary style treads in light casings for the trailbike.
I put a RockRazor on last summer, and holy crap I love that thing. Goes like stink, and has nice big meaty corner knobs. Now the problem - leaves and pine needles make it a bit psycho as you can imagine, so spring and fall are sketchy.
If I could find something in between the semi-slick and the full depth tread but with full size corner knobs, I think I could be happy with the grip/rolling compromise. Big problem is that most of what seems to go as trail tires has little side knobs. Do these people not corner? - or am I just a DH hack who has to rely on big-assed side knobs to hang on?
Then there is sizing. Normally a 2.35/2.4 guy, but people keep saying that 2.4-2.6 is the way to go now that we have wide internal rims.
I'm thinking that my 225lb "hacktastic" self on balloony low pressure tires is a recipe I'm not sure I want to sample after trying a buddies 27.5+ 3.0" a couple of seasons ago.
These seem to sit between the Trail and the Enduro/DH with regard to knob size and height.
29" I30 rims
MaxxisRekon 2.4
Bonty XR4(SE?) 2.4
WTB Trailboss 2.4
Schwalbe HansDampf-2 2.35
???
I'm also good with an EXO/Snakeskin casing around here.
That or I just say F-it and go for a quicker rolling 2.3 3C Exo DHF / 2.3 Dual EXO DHR2 rear...
Do you mean Eliminator? I don't see an Equalizer on their site...Id add the new Specialized Equalizer. Its like an XR /SE4 but better side knobs.
Yeah, sorry. Black Diamond should be available now.Do you mean Eliminator? I don't see an Equalizer on their site...
I was, for about 80 miles, before I started to tear off side knobs. Our terrain is just about identical to Las Vegas area & Bootleg, so very abrasive and hard on tires. But I can consistently get 350 miles out of a classic E13 TRSr (soft compound, OG version, not the new crap made by Vee) before the side knobs start disintegrating.Who is on Miche Wild Enduro front and how does it compare to Magic Mary?
I was, for about 80 miles, before I started to tear off side knobs. Our terrain is just about identical to Las Vegas area & Bootleg, so very abrasive and hard on tires. But I can consistently get 350 miles out of a classic E13 TRSr (soft compound, OG version, not the new crap made by Vee) before the side knobs start disintegrating.
Traction-wise, I thought it was meh. Good overall but not outstanding on loose kitty litter over packed kitty litter. I like Wild Rock'R2 better.
That said, I imagine it'd be a pretty good tire for more loamy dirt.
One last note: I got this tire from CRC about a year ago at deep discount, before the tire was avail to the U.S. distributors. Early production model, I assume. It's possible Mich have changed compound, etc, since.
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P.S. There's close-up pic of a prototype DH22 on recent Sam Hill bike check on Vital. Tread block arrangement is similar to Wild Enduro but the side knob spacing is noticeably tighter like the Rock'R2.
I think it's the fact that our dry/hard "soil" (packed DG) doesn't let the tall knobs penetrate deep enouth, creating excessive leverage and stress at the base of the side knobs. I think the tire will last longer with predominantly soggy climate and softer dirt.Thanks! I prefer a super soft front compound, but that sounds like unreasonably low mileage for a front tire to me.
I ride on rocks too.
Here. It's ok. You have to be easy on the rear brake, esp. in corners or off camber, otherwise you will make eye contact with your rear wheel while going forward.Anyone running a DD aggressor?
My exo casing is pure shyte, rolled the tire of the rim once already on this trip running the pressures I prefer.
Do you like it?
I am looking for something faster rolling than a DHR...
this has not been my experience. I find it a predictable all rounder. Doesn't do anything amazing, but does most things well. I'm an east coast rider. the DD has held up for a full season, which is a first for me. I'm not blown away by it, but I have nothing to really complain about. except maybe for braking. it's not the greatest.Here. It's ok. You have to be easy on the rear brake, esp. in corners or off camber, otherwise you will make eye contact with your rear wheel while going forward.
In some way I agree with what you say, it is ok, mine also lasted or is lasting since last year and on hard surfaces it runs pretty good. But throw some wet roots and loamy dirt in off camber situations in the mix and it gets funky. Especially when comparing to the DHR2.this has not been my experience. I find it a predictable all rounder. Doesn't do anything amazing, but does most things well. I'm an east coast rider. the DD has held up for a full season, which is a first for me. I'm not blown away by it, but I have nothing to really complain about. except maybe for braking. it's not the greatest.
In some way I agree with what you say, it is ok, mine also lasted or is lasting since last year and on hard surfaces it runs pretty good. But throw some wet roots and loamy dirt in off camber situations in the mix and it gets funky. Especially when comparing to the DHR2.
Who is on Miche Wild Enduro front and how does it compare to Magic Mary?
I wouldn't really think that would be similar to a MM based on the tread pattern. That tread is much more of an ASSguy/minion pattern.Thanks! I prefer a super soft front compound, but that sounds like low mileage for a front tire to me.
I ride on rocks too.
Next rear tire for me. The Vigilante has held up great in the front and I like the looks of the Judge. Loos like a solid DHR clone with slightly taller side nobs.Judge
Front or rear?Yep rocks, wet roots a hint of mud or offcamber and I found it loose as fuck.
That's why I ditched it and went to the Judge