[Toshi]

to the u.s. residents out there:

what would it actually take for you to decide to emigrate to canada or [country of your choice here]? what level of social freedoms would have to be curtailed to make you play your hand and head north? what about the economics of it? would you move if you could make an equivalent amount of money elsewhere? only if you could make more elsewhere? what other factors would you consider?

 

[-BB-]

I actually considered moving up to BC after I went to whistler...

I'd move up there if I knew I had a good job that would pay me a little more than I make now. So If I made 10K/year in the US, I'd need at least 13K Canadian.

I wouldn't want to get priced out of the US market and never be able to return.

 

[bomberz1qr20]

to the u.s. residents out there:

what would it actually take for you to decide to emigrate to canada or [country of your choice here]? what level of social freedoms would have to be curtailed to make you play your hand and head north? what about the economics of it? would you move if you could make an equivalent amount of money elsewhere? only if you could make more elsewhere? what other factors would you consider?

Canada would be an awesome place to go, except for all them Canadians...

 

[Toshi]

no social or political considerations? what if the government started arresting activists for your party (libertarian, socialist, green, whatever) and charging them with sedition? would you shut up? would you move? what about actions not quite that clear cut?

 

[BurlyShirley]

I would move out of the US simply given the opportunity in a place I might like better.

 

[Slugman]

I already have a plan to leave...

My wife and I plan out where we want to be. We were in RI and said that by the end of last year we wanted to be in SoCal... and here we are.

Our next goal is to be in europe in 5 years. After living there for a couple years we want to hit southest Asia for a couple years, then come back and live in NY or Miami (depending on the kid situation).

 

[stringcheese]

I'm already a citizen up there and I'm soooo tempted to go up

 

[genpowell71]

After I retire from the US Army, I plan to either retire to BC or Toronto.

 

[Skookum]

i think i have dual citizenship from my tribe.

i'll go where the work is, and where the riding is good. But i love America the native land, my people, the people of my tribe, and the mountains where my ashes will be placed.

 

[Changleen]

I would move out of the US simply given the opportunity in a place I might like better.

Good for you! I'm all about everyone living in as many places as possible.

What about N8? What do you think? Forced deportation?

 

[N8 v2.0]

I'd like to emigrate back to the motherland of New Mexico where my family has dwelt since the 1600's.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

to the u.s. residents out there:

what would it actually take for you to decide to emigrate to canada or [country of your choice here]? what level of social freedoms would have to be curtailed to make you play your hand and head north? what about the economics of it? would you move if you could make an equivalent amount of money elsewhere? only if you could make more elsewhere? what other factors would you consider?

for me emigration is not about how much money numerically you make, but how much is that money worth where you are going.

I´ve lived in the US, and i would not stay there to make a living, unless i got a job that me paid me enough to afford things i can easily afford in Peru with a comparable effort or work.

30k a year in Peru go a long way. enough to afford raising a child, a maid, a cook, private police, live in a decent place; have fun, a nice living and send your kids to a decent school. maybe you wont buy a fancy car, or a plasma tv, or expensive imported stuff, but the trade-off is good.

30k in the US??? that was roughly what i got from home, and it was barely enough for me alone to attend college and pay living expenses. i could not afford not even 1/5 of the stuff i could have had in SA for the same money.

i would say its a x10 factor just to break even, and at least a x15-x25 factor in income to make it worth the pain in the ass which is for me to live outside lima, and depending where in the US.

 

[bmxr]

for me emigration is not about how much money numerically you make, but how much is that money worth where you are going.

I´ve lived in the US, and i would not stay there to make a living, unless i got a job that me paid me enough to afford things i can easily afford in Peru with a comparable effort or work.

30k a year in Peru go a long way. enough to afford raising a child, a maid, a cook, private police, live in a decent place; have fun, a nice living and send your kids to a decent school. maybe you wont buy a fancy car, or a plasma tv, or expensive imported stuff, but the trade-off is good.

30k in the US??? that was roughly what i got from home, and it was barely enough for me alone to attend college and pay living expenses. i could not afford not even 1/5 of the stuff i could have had in SA for the same money.

i would say its a x10 factor just to break even, and at least a x15-x25 factor in income to make it worth the pain in the ass which is for me to live outside lima, and depending where in the US.

Well, if you are tied to a trust fund (or whatever) that pays you $30k into perpetuity, it makes sense to go wherever the dollar-adjusted cost of living is the lowest. But if you actually have to work, the job you get in Peru will pay you substantially less than the same job in the US. Overall the tradeoff in costs vs earnings and their effect on quality of life, are very good in the US. That is why so many people enjoy living here (radical left wing pessimists aside).

I would not abandon my country.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

Well, if you are tied to a trust fund (or whatever) that pays you $30k into perpetuity, it makes sense to go wherever the dollar-adjusted cost of living is the lowest. But if you actually have to work, the job you get in Peru will pay you substantially less than the same job in the US. Overall the tradeoff in costs vs earnings and their effect on quality of life, are very good in the US. That is why so many people enjoy living here (radical left wing pessimists aside).

I would not abandon my country.

yeah, the US its a nice place overall. BUT for it to be really nice, its VERY expensive. its not nice to live on 18k a year in a ghetto in detroit for example.
so if you are willing to trade some things, you can get a better deal somewhere else.

plus, thanks to liberalism and capitalism, peru income, and life if you are an employee sucks ass.

but if you own a mid sized business, specially an intl franchise, your profits are as good as in the US. you actually make even a little bit more if you own say, a mcdonalds franchise in Peru, than in the US, or a gas station or most mid size business.

the problem is the economical inestability which makes it risky.

 

[biggins]

all will take is george bush getting re-elected.

actually i dream of moving to canada. not only because of riding but also because of the chill factor of most people there.

 

[golgiaparatus]

I actually considered moving up to BC after I went to whistler...

I'd move up there if I knew I had a good job that would pay me a little more than I make now. So If I made 10K/year in the US, I'd need at least 13K Canadian.

I wouldn't want to get priced out of the US market and never be able to return.

I feel the same way... Give me a good job there and I'll move tomorrow.
As for something actually happening thee to make me leave the US becauyse I no longer want to be a part of it GW starting WW3 would do it.

 

[biggins]

dude, golgi, your avatar is scaring me. make it go away.

 

[bmxr]

yeah, the US its a nice place overall. BUT for it to be really nice, its VERY expensive. its not nice to live on 18k a year in a ghetto in detroit for example.
so if you are willing to trade some things, you can get a better deal somewhere else.

plus, thanks to liberalism and capitalism, peru income, and life if you are an employee sucks ass.

but if you own a mid sized business, specially an intl franchise, your profits are as good as in the US. you actually make even a little bit more if you own say, a mcdonalds franchise in Peru, than in the US, or a gas station or most mid size business.

the problem is the economical inestability which makes it risky.

I am not sure what the point you are trying to make, is. If you can afford to own a McDonalds franchise in Peru, you certainly wouldn't be living on $18,000 in some ghetto in Detroit. You would have to buy the McD's right for the entire country (assuming that someone had not already done it), and you would likely have to show liquidity of at least $5 or $10 million bucks, if not more. Same goes for a gas station. If you wanted to franchise a gas station in Peru, you would probably need at least $500k liquid before they would even consider looking at your application. That's assuming that there aren't any laws forbidding this, which is likely in Latin America. Those governments still tend to be very protectionist in favor of their (nationalized) oil industries. They would still be locking foreigners out of that industry completely if they had the capital to do exploration and infrastructure themselves.

Make this comparison: What in an entry level salary in the US, in USD, in the field you are studying? What would you expect to be making in ten years in that same field?

Now, what would your salary be, in Soles, under the same circumstances?

I know for a fact that my quality of life is much better here in the US than it would be in South America, unless I had family money to give me a boost from their middle class to the "country-club set".

 

[genpowell71]

I hear Brazil is a great place to live also. I have a few special operation buddies that retired down there.

 

[bmxr]

I hear Brazil is a great place to live also. I have a few special operation buddies that retired down there.

As long as those pension checks keep coming in US dollars and get their COLA's, you can live like a rapper.

 

[biggins]

As long as those pension checks keep coming in US dollars and get their COLA's, you can live like a rapper.

so you get shot at all the time, drink lots of foties, and bitch slap your ho's?

 

[Ciaran]

I am not sure exactly of all the things that may make me move... But I can think of a few off the top of my head...

-Mandatory military service

-Overtly invading and actually taking over another country permanently. You know... when we actually declare that they now belong to us and we fly our flag permanently. Though this whole Iraq thing has me looking north quite often.

-If I get arrested one more time because of a "computer glitch" or "clerical error" and sit in jail for 9 days only to have the judge say that I DID pay my fine and that I should have never been arrested. But I get no apology or compensation. (I hate Orange County!) Long story, basically I got phucked by the "justice" system.

-The day they change the laws so that a presedent is allowed more than 2 terms. (Beginnings of a dictatorship!)

-When we can get arrested for speaking out against the government. (Oh wait , that already happens)

There are many other things but they are hard to spell out. Basically it's when the country/it's leaders do something that I feel is just so morally wrong that I can't live with it in good consience.

I would like to learn more about other countries and their governments as I wouldn't want to move to someplace worse! Canada looks nice but I know little about it other than what my Canadian friend and my charles DeLint books tell me.

 

[s1ngletrack]

so you get shot at all the time, drink lots of foties, and bitch slap your ho's?

weeerd ma nizzle.

 

[I Are Baboon]

I don't know. I like it here.

 

[Westy]

If I could find a place with a low cost of living, low crime, unlimitted tight singletrack, good beer and overflowing with hotties I would move no matter what country it was in.

 

[Ridemonkey]

Well, if you are tied to a trust fund (or whatever) that pays you $30k into perpetuity, it makes sense to go wherever the dollar-adjusted cost of living is the lowest. But if you actually have to work, the job you get in Peru will pay you substantially less than the same job in the US. Overall the tradeoff in costs vs earnings and their effect on quality of life, are very good in the US. That is why so many people enjoy living here (radical left wing pessimists aside).

I would not abandon my country.

The only way to not be tied down in one place by a job is to have a trust fund? Crazy. I guess all the helicopter pilots I worked with in Alaska - the ones who lived in villas in Latin America in the off season - they have trust funds? Hell I even knew a miner with a condo in Mexico. Crazy that he had a trust fund but still wanted to be a miner! Authors? Independent consultants? Etc etc etc.....

 

[bmxr]

so you get shot at all the time, drink lots of foties, and bitch slap your ho's?

What I meant was ... never mind

 

[bmxr]

The only way to not be tied down in one place by a job is to have a trust fund?

That's not what I said genius, I merely posed the hypothetical "fixed income" based on what Alexis was saying. If you can get a good enough job (that pays in US dollars, IMO), then you can live nicely anywhere.

My point is that you could make a decent living as a mechanic (or even a miner ) in the US, but I bet your quality of life would be different if you were living on the wages of a Peruvian miner. That's all. Hell, you never know; I might even have actual first-hand experience to base my opinion on

All things considered, my opinion is that the best place to live is the US.

 

[Changleen]

If I could find a place with a low cost of living, low crime, unlimitted tight singletrack, good beer and overflowing with hotties I would move no matter what country it was in.

You just described Whistler Village... Well, the cost of living is low for me (UK wage x3) anyway. I guess its a little steeper for US.

 

[N8 v2.0]

so you get shot at all the time, drink lots of foties, and bitch slap your ho's?

Careful lest thou be called racist...

 

[$tinkle]

extraordinary rendition

 

[Toshi]

Hell I even knew a miner with a condo in Mexico. Crazy that he had a trust fund but still wanted to be a miner!

maybe he has always had a special fondness for lung cancer?

 

[Changleen]

extraordinary rendition

Whoa that is pretty ****ing horific even for the GW junta! It's basically condoning torture.

 

[Toshi]

Whoa that is pretty ****ing horific even for the GW junta! It's basically condoning torture.

what's wrong with torture? after all, you have nothing to be afraid of if you're not a terrorist, right?

(nb: i'm not serious)

 

[fluff]

l be a racist...

:evil:
No additions, just judicious misuse of the delete button. Dick and George would be proud of me.

 

[valve bouncer]

Careful lest thou be called racist...

You are a grubby little racist....if the cap fits, wear it......actually that should be if the hood fits.

 

[zod]

If the South would rise again then I would leave the Union to live in the Sovereign States of America.....

 

[valve bouncer]

If the South would rise again then I would leave the Union to live in the Sovereign States of America.....

Don't say things like that mate.....I don't think any of us would survive a modern remake of "Cold Mountain"

 

[BurlyShirley]

Don't say things like that mate.....I don't think any of us would survive a modern remake of "Cold Mountain"

I would move to Australia for a couple years. The chicks there are SO EASY! Its unbelievable. They just wanted me to say stuff for them so they could hear my "cute american accent" and BAM! In like flint! That place is fun. :devil:

 

[fluff]

I would move to Australia for a couple years. The chicks there are SO EASY! Its unbelievable. They just wanted me to say stuff for them so they could hear my "cute american accent" and BAM! In like flint! That place is fun. :devil:

I'm not sure if you still need a criminal record to get in. Do you have one?