LG1 with a half bash, Id rock it.
Good to see they ripped off yet another e.13 product! Even the naming scheme is retarded LG1 / G2.
ya, e.13 is way better still. i am going to boycott MRP.
WHY?
MRP holds more podiums and was the originator of the chain guide from even before Palmer. HMMM! A device to hold the chain in place and keep it from flying off, that about sums up all chain guides and they started with MRP.
I run a Gamut, had a MRP and the E-13 of these 3 brands they are all on par and are all great products.
I would rock the MRP G2 its a good idea having a partial bash.
Uhh...why is this in any way upsetting? What did MRP do wrong? There aren't even pics available yet and everybody is blasting the design as a rip off (except bc)?
To this day I scratch my head every time I hear a smart person get zealous about E13 guides. They are good, functional guides. They are unforgivably heavy to me, but a well made part reguardless.
To this day I scratch my head every time I hear a smart person get zealous about E13 guides. They are good, functional guides. They are unforgivably heavy to me, but a well made part reguardless.
There are pics available on MTBR at the link provided. It is a blatant rip off of an LG1, right down to the damn name?
Just to play devil's advocate, how much dissimilar can a chainguide be? Back when it was just the old MRP sandwich guide, everybody hated it because it was complicated, and had the consistency of play-doh. Would it be better if they went back to that?
i guess ppl get annoyed when designs get blatantly ripped off main competitors.
Race Face did it before with their "Flamed" SRS copy
Race Face did it before with their "Flamed" SRS copy
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What are the two holes on the right/outside of the boomerang for?
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What are the two holes on the right/outside of the boomerang for?
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LG1 Taco holes
Those are on all but the SRS. Are the holes there so it can be run as a light guide (with the top piece changed) ?
You need full new LG-1 plastics and bolt kit to convert an SRS to an LG-1, this includes a new bottom plastic. Since the Supercharger is a part of the guide system on the SRS, the LG-1 needs to compensate for that in both the upper and lower plastics.
I also think it's quite interesting, take Blackspire for example there chain guides use the same principle as some of e13, just a little diffrent. I don't know who was first but that's how it works. Same with almost all other products. Just look at the other parts out there, bars, wheels, cassetes, derailleurs they all look pretty much the same.
I say good on MRP for recognizing the need for a skid plate/taco on this type of guide and introducing one without requiring cutting up a bashring to get it.
buy a few they will soon be collectors items.
LG-1 guide with bash plate.
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=90567&d=1172495517
Just make them yourself.
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=90567&d=1172495517
Just make them yourself.
I'd run one , but i got to agree with the majority here , it looks like the e-13.
i started laughing when i saw the pictures. mrp sucks
I personally don't like the idea of hacking at a bashgaurd to get something that's not even recommended by e13.
I saw a guy rocking a plastic half bash on a bmx bike in '97. He hacked his kink grindguard (the first lexan chainguard I remember seeing) in half with a hand saw.
It's not a new idea, but it's a good idea for them to make one. The press release makes it sound like they are reinventing something because that's what press releases are meant to do, hype things up.
It's not a new idea, but it's a good idea for them to make one. The press release makes it sound like they are reinventing something because that's what press releases are meant to do, hype things up.
I still like the MRP and will rock it when available. To all quit your complaining. Dude mcdonalds didnt invent the burger and burger king ripped off the idea of a patty in a bun thing.
People will roll with good ideas, its called industry and this is what fuels further innovations and changes. When everyone catches up its time to set a new bar heigth and this is how we move forward in all industries. So it bebifits all of us. If nobody copied others we'd all be riding tires that are solid foam.
People will roll with good ideas, its called industry and this is what fuels further innovations and changes. When everyone catches up its time to set a new bar heigth and this is how we move forward in all industries. So it bebifits all of us. If nobody copied others we'd all be riding tires that are solid foam.
What's that, ripoff and duplication? Guys like Dave are what fuel innovation, not the copycats trying to cash in on someone else's real R&D.
ok I agree it looks like MRP has ripped off E13's product but seriously...this happens everyday in all types of industry so why is everyone so surprised???...D
Like you said, he fuels innovation, and in this case he inspired MRP to improve upon this existing design. It's not like e.13 didn't have sufficient time to do the same, they just chose not to.
Cars, planes, pencils, toothbrushes, hats, your shoes, etc... Because of these things bad or good we all pay less for better innovations and safety devices as well as conveinences in everday life. I dont disagrea that it looks like an E13 but then again RF's looks like someone elses as well. I like alot of people in this world but the same rule applies to all CYA (cover your a_s) in business with patents etc... Expect a good product to be copied and never fail to look to future improvements and the future of the product and the companys well being.
Home Depot does it all the time with there line of stuff, Target now does it and so on. I feel no anomosity towards MRP or any of them, bottom line is there is another player in the market.
Someday I would like to write a detailed tutorial on how to make a proper comparison.
edit: so as not to come off quite so snarky (it wasn't intended as such), I just want to clarify: ripping off new-to-the-market innovation is a lot different than simply being another producer/distributor of a long standing commodity.
I'm with Bullcrew. MRP (granted, under different ownership) basically invented the chainguide. Before that we were all ghettoing front derailleurs and sandwhiching chainrings between plates of alluminium. Several years later and e-13 come along and decide that the basic design can be improved with some tweaks and different materials.
Now we criticise MRP for doing the same thing? Put down the DW kool-aid guys...
Now we criticise MRP for doing the same thing? Put down the DW kool-aid guys...
Ted, have you seen an LG1? I would argue that the e.thirteen product was a lot more than "some tweaks and different materials" compared to the original MRP. This mrp guide is a pretty obviously inspired by an LG1, wheras the SRS and old MRP similarities ended with the fact that they were both marketed as chain devices.
I don't think that the SRS could have been more of a departure from the MRP design. It was manufactured and assembled drastically differently, its mud clearance greatly improved, heck, the polycarbonate bashguard that we introduced to the industry in 2000 is now offered in some form or another by every drivetrain manufacturer in existence. In addition, the e13 design offered drastically improved chainline, less noise, improved reliability, and higher strength for the same weight. Here's a partial list of the innovations that the SRS brought to the table over the original MRP.
polycarbonate bashguard
adjustable sliders from outside (captive fasteners)
narrow chainline capability
one model fits many bikes without modification
composite sliders instead of side plates
co-molded soft durometer idler instead of a roller
I am all for innovation, I applaud it and seek it out, I live for it. When someone makes something new and cool I am usually the first one to point it out and give a standing O. Right now I feel like someone stole the car stereo from our truck or something, but luckily we have insurance...
Anyways, I respect your thoughts on this Ted, just wanted to give you my perspective.
If i recall you didnt deem the half boomerang enough intrest to release a few years back. They did and granted the device is similair (extremely) but none the less I wouldnt have gotten your lg1 I could have opted it at any time but no protection wasnt for me. They opted to have a similair device with some protection and weight savings so I now OPT. Had you come out and put it on the table Id be on it but instead they decided to and thats were my business will go. Its first on the table scenario for me, I just bought an iphone (8gb) based on the first on the table scenario.
I dont knock the fact that E13 has had some innovative designs I have had 3 of your systems du to this. Then Gamut came out and IMO improved and shaved weight on your design then the lg1 which like I said was great except for the no protection.
MRP's is close and offers protection to me thats perfect. If you have an e-13 LG1 36th with half bash ready to roll then Id go that route.
I dont knock the fact that E13 has had some innovative designs I have had 3 of your systems du to this. Then Gamut came out and IMO improved and shaved weight on your design then the lg1 which like I said was great except for the no protection.
MRP's is close and offers protection to me thats perfect. If you have an e-13 LG1 36th with half bash ready to roll then Id go that route.
Says they've got a "Patented integrated bashplate design". Does this change things for you DW, were you guys planning on releasing an OK for consumers taco?
Saying that you have a "patented integrated bashplate design" and actually having one are two different things. MRP purchased a patent from Simple Minds Tech that alleges to cover "semi circumferential bashguards". The validity and scope of this patent is very much in question, enough so that e.thirteen passed up the opportunity to pursue purchase of the patent from the original owner. In no place does this patent claim the integration of these bashguards into chain retention systems. I believe that MRP is falsely claiming patent to the technology shown in this product. I think that anyone well versed in patent law would find merit in that statement, and I know that at least one other drivetrain manufacturer shares that sentiment.
e.thirteen has been planning the release of new patent pending technologies in this area for some time. Patents have been applied for well over a year, including technology planned for an LG1 replacement. Our "taco" design has been in production on the OEM market for some time, and will see aftermarket sale this year. I know that I have talked about this here before, but e.thirteen has a new bashguard technology that will be unveiled soon. This has been the most significant reason why we have delayed the sale of a production "taco".
To answer your question directly, the existence of this product from MRP has zero impact on the direction of the e.thirteen product line, and I think reinforces e.thirteen's position as the leading innovator in this market. I expect that e.thirteen will be the sole holder of intellectual property in this area in several years time. We are going to keep doing what we do until then.
