Here is a good article regardless of what type of plan you're for.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/02/11/BUG02O20R81.DTL
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/02/11/BUG02O20R81.DTL
savings vary wildly by disease, so there's no hard and fast rule. in general it's cheaper to intervene before someone is 300 lbs, type 2 diabetic, with congestive heart failure, cholesterol through the roof, a foot amputation or two, and COPD from smoking for 50 years...Wow, I actually agree with you on something. Too many people pass up preventative care and screening for diseases. I heard, but haven't confirmed, that is $1 of preventative care saves $2 later (for disease treatment and such).
so tell me again, why the tax payers of this nation should foot the bill for the multitudes of non/under insured dumbasses who want to live with their unhealty lifestyle choices?savings vary wildly by disease, so there's no hard and fast rule. in general it's cheaper to intervene before someone is 300 lbs, type 2 diabetic, with congestive heart failure, cholesterol through the roof, a foot amputation or two, and COPD from smoking for 50 years...
You're already footing the bill for the dumbasses on your insurance who live an unhealthy lifestyle. I have coworkers who can barely walk they are so large. They walk three cubes and they are winded and guess what? My premiums help pay for people like that.so tell me again, why the tax payers of this nation should foot the bill for the multitudes of non/under insured dumbasses who want to live with their unhealty lifestyle choices?
because we already foot the bill. did you miss my point about the ER being used as primary care, and how county hospitals cannot turn anyone away? decades ago we decided we would not let people simply die in the gutters. universal insurance coverage might just make this system a bit less costly.so tell me again, why the tax payers of this nation should foot the bill for the multitudes of non/under insured dumbasses who want to live with their unhealty lifestyle choices?
Is there a disconnect with you N8, where you think everyone who has insurance is healthy, doing well and working hard? And people without are fat, stupid and lazy? You seem to paint this picture black and white when its far from that.
Man your cocky... you have to realize that your current (but not for long) plush career in home construction orchestration has obviously desensitized you to a severe degree. (a bit heartless as well)wtf? you are not owned by the company you work for. if it sucks as bad as you say, f'ing move on to something better. no one has a gun to your head forcing you to stay. christ, you sound like one of those asshat friends of mine who bitch about their wives and how they hate them and how they suck, yet continue to be married to them. your company is boning you because you let them bone you.
sorry no sympathy from me.
I remember his character, what happened?No, he was leulling before.
Fear.I remember his character, what happened?
lolFear.
I believe with a new job, he changed his name and deleted most of his old posts. Also looks under his bed for the boogeyman....
You can never be too careful :biggrin:Also looks under his bed for the boogeyman....
Is there a disconnect with you N8, where you think everyone who has insurance is healthy, doing well and working hard? And people without are fat, stupid and lazy? You seem to paint this picture black and white when its far from that.
Man your cocky... you have to realize that your current (but not for long) plush career in home construction orchestration has obviously desensitized you to a severe degree. (a bit heartless as well)
What do you think all your employees and sub-contractors have do deal with to make it buy, be able to show up on your jobsite, and ultimately make you all that fat lazy cash you reap from the sale of your specs or finishing of your customs.
What do you say about them? That you don't give a rats ass about them either?? You better, because without them, your broke.
When was the last time you had do bust your knuckles open tieing rebar in a foundation, or herniated a disc from rolling heavy ass rafters & joists, or fallen off one of your roofs??
When was it? My guess is not recently.
You better hope the bubble hasn't burst as bad as it seems to have. You're ****ed if it has.
Nobody is going to hire your old "engineering" ass for anything close to what you take in right now... therefore rendering you not rich enough to pay your lavish premiums.
By the way, after reading this thread, it seems as though the only one who is actually bitching is you.
See in the footing trenches soon sucka!
so if i keep my current plan, why would i want to pay for someone else's?if you're allowed to keep your current plan if you choose, how again would this "degrade the system for the rest of us"?
same reason you pay for other peoples' clean water, roads, education (state universities and research grants to private ones), police and fire service, etc.so if i keep my current plan, why would i want to pay for someone else's?
Dumbass, you already ARE paying for everyone else. Why do you think your fancy insurance costs so much?so if i keep my current plan, why would i want to pay for someone else's?
It seems like you think all your subs are rich too. You act as if they are making extreme amounts of profit (like your ins. company is off of you). I got news for you.... THEY AREN'T!My subs carry their own insurance... they have a choice of paying the health care benefits to their workers or not. If they pay, then their profit is reduced, if they dont offer bene's then they make more. Some do and some dont. To me it makes no difference. I carry worksmans comp for my business and cover my own health care premiums.
as far as no one wanting to hire my.. what was it.. "old engineering ass" ... please tell that to the f'ing head hunter companies who send me crap several times a month.
If new home construction slows down then i'll pick up remodeling jobs and branch out into commercial construction and land development. If all that fails, then i'll sell off my holdings and get a part time job at Walmart and work my way up again.
i'm amazed at the lack of self confidence a lot of you in here have... must suck to be so totally helpless. Explains a lot tho about why you thing the gov should feed you, pay you, educate you, provide medical care, blah blah blah...
I think you missed the real point here. Most of us feel like we should be getting more health care out of what our government takes in.Explains a lot tho about why you thing the gov should feed you, pay you, educate you, provide medical care, blah blah blah...
Everyone wants to be in sales. Squeeze everything you can out of somebody else's hard earned dollar.Too many lawyers, too many people with their hands in the pot.
did you read this?Yep, I just love to get calls from people asking why their health insurance rates went up "even though they did not use it."
Its because you are in the same pool of insured people as Gluttonous Gary, Tobacco Tom, Liquor Larry, STD Stacy and Tanning bed Tina.
When you have a nation of unhealthy turds it does not matter what "system" you put in place, it is going to suck.
That's why even in this thread, there is no "plan" to really get behind and no candidate is really standing out on this issue, because no idea yet
that has been thrown in the mix is going to fix the problem.
Here is a good article regardless of what type of plan you're for.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/02/11/BUG02O20R81.DTL
Why do you think you're paying such an outrageous premium?so if i keep my current plan, why would i want to pay for someone else's?
who says its outrageous?Why do you think you're paying such an outrageous premium?
Man your title rings true once more.
Yeah, I just did.did you read this?
Obviously insurance companies don't consider wearing your sphincter as a necklace as a pre-existing condition.who says its outrageous?
i'd say its pretty fair considering the if I need something I can get it paid for no problem even if it cost far more than the $ amount i've paid in. If I don't need it then no big whoop... money well spent.
They can not see a doctor w/out paying full price. They have no prescription coverage. Therefore they have no health care.apparently there are 40M who (for whatever reason have no insurance) but then again they can get medical care at the emergency room because we are all paying for it thru our insurance premiums.
so are these people who are uninsured with or without medical care???
make up your mind
show me the alternative then... which organization/politico has a workable plan?They can not see a doctor w/out paying full price. They have no prescription coverage. Therefore they have no health care.
Why do you fight for a system that gives 30% of inefficiency to make rich people richer and hate the discussion of improving the system to help poor and working people with no coverage??
After my federal income, Fica, state, local, sales tax, medical deduction (mine is cheap too, 131/month for family of 3 for personal choice) and copays I don't think they are paying much more if any. I would like to know how their real estate taxes are structured.you are ok with this then?
3 WHO PAYS AND HOW MUCH?
3.1 Taxation
Direct taxes are levied at the following rates: 10% (on first GBP 1880 of taxable income),
22% (GBP 1881GBP 29 400) and 40% (over GBP 29 400) (http://www.inlandrevenue.
gov.uk/rates/it.htm). The standard rate of value added tax (VAT) is 17.5%. Certain goods and
services are zero rated or reduced rate (5%).