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Attention Karpiel Armageddon fans!!!!!

Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by Brian HCM#1, Dec 22, 2005.

  1. Brian HCM#1

    Brian HCM#1 MMMMMMMMM BEER!!!!!!!!!!

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    There are some new Armageddons currently in production, 5 to be exact, 3 are already sold. These are non Jan frames, however Jan did help tack this first batch together, they should also be sold with Fox DHX's. There are plans on making another 5 in the very near future. Jan has nothing to do with these and have given the okay to build more, so no Jan bashing here please.
     

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    Jimmy_Pop Turbo Monkey

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    Cool. that news will make alot of people happy.
     
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    you should have them put the ISCG mounts on it. so everyone can use a 118 bb with their guides.
     
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    who's making them?
     
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    Approximately 5?
     
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    Jimmy_Pop Turbo Monkey

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    OUCH !

    DHS, i hope they'll make those updates and not just dust off those old jigs and pop out 2001 frames ?? or whatever year they were ...
     
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    lemme guess... you're one of the 3 :)
     
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    Ciaran Fear my banana

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    Nice to hear that there will be a couple of more Karpiels out there....hope we will see some pics ! Any changes on the new frames???
     
  10. Brian HCM#1

    Brian HCM#1 MMMMMMMMM BEER!!!!!!!!!!

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    One of the people that did some CNCing is building them. The first batch will be like the originals, however with newer type links (non pinch bolts for the bearings) I'm hoping to work with him on the second batch to incorporate a 12mm thru axle and replaceable derailleur hanger. ISCG may also be in the future, however with MRP's they work perfect with 118's. I believe the new e13's work on them to with some modifications.
     
  11. Brian HCM#1

    Brian HCM#1 MMMMMMMMM BEER!!!!!!!!!!

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    Actually no, I had the opportunity for one, but turned it down. Not enough changes yet to warrant a new one. Possibly the next batch though:thumb:
     
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    I think they ought to change the upper links too so they do not develop cracks....
     
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    It would be awesome with a replacable rear hanger and a 12mm axle:love: :love: :love: :love:
     
  14. Brian HCM#1

    Brian HCM#1 MMMMMMMMM BEER!!!!!!!!!!

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    This guy made some new links already, I've been riding them most of last years season. They work better as far as the bearing running smoother.
     
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    ...and they dont crack??? Do you have any close up pics of them ?? I would love to see them !:)
     
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    Brian HCM#1 MMMMMMMMM BEER!!!!!!!!!!

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    Downhiller has the new links, if you look closely in his recent Army post. DHS sold him the frame, I got DHS the new version links.
     
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    Brian HCM#1 MMMMMMMMM BEER!!!!!!!!!!

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    Not yet. The ones that cracked had the pinch bolts counter sunk too much.
     
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    Downhillers pics are not sharp enough so I cant see the differences...:mad:
     
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    ......yeah...it didnt work very well. I like my steel links but it would be nice if there existed a burly and durable set of alu links too:)
     
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    ok i will try my best

    pics are from cell phone... :dead:
     
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    ...no problem :)
     
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    Well...it is a little difficult for me to see but the links look like they still have these round holes ifrom whihc the craks in my links developed. I guess the movement in the material was too big when tightening the pinch bolts. However....if this problem does not occur in the nwe version of the links I think it is great !! This have by far been the biggest draw back for me when it comes to this frame...:mumble:
     
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    this is the best i can get from phone













     
  25. Brian HCM#1

    Brian HCM#1 MMMMMMMMM BEER!!!!!!!!!!

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    3 or 4 people are currently using this style links. Like I said no problems so far. However they have only been out 9-10 months.
     
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    are there any current DH frames which use QRs still?
     
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    after holding both links the newer style ones are much beefier yet lighter with no bolts at the bearings. also look wayyyyy better up close. the cnc quality is MUCH better.
     
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    Will these links be up for sale???....I would love a set (upper and lower) !
     
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    Hey Downhiller !!! Thansk for the pics !!!:thumb:
     
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    I would like get them instead of mine....the older version.
     
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    The Demo 8 still uses one, and it is one of the stiffest frames out there.
    When Turner switched to a thru axle, he only did it because people kept asking for one. The old frame was stiff enough.
    They work fine, especially with a bolt on axle.
     
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    if you want specific area on bike to get pics just mark on some pic and i will get them...
     
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    Thanks !
     
  34. Brian HCM#1

    Brian HCM#1 MMMMMMMMM BEER!!!!!!!!!!

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    At one point yes, I should be able to get some.
     
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    well the D8 has two extra stays on the rear which would help i'd think. turner went big (20mm), right?

    the M1s used to be QR too, right?
     
  36. Brian HCM#1

    Brian HCM#1 MMMMMMMMM BEER!!!!!!!!!!

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    Actually the QR on any Karpiel is fine, it's very stiff and I've never had a problem the the QR slipping. Jan did make some 20mm rears, but that was WAY to difficult to find a rear 20mm hub.
     
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    Then I would need your help to get a set. :)
     
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    Yeah, the Turner uses a 20mm with step downs for a 12 mm axle.
    It works and is simple.

    Now my old M1 was the suck if you tried to run a QR. It was a 12mm thru axle, but it came with these little metal pieces so you could run a QR.They just kind of stuck in there like a puzzle piece and they always fell out and putting a wheel back on was as fun as a dry rectal exam.
     
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    thats about the last "update" id do to an army, its a great frame but theres more urgent updates to do to it, brian is on the case though it looks like, with the dropout for instance
     
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    I have to say that I deeply respect Brian for being involved in developing the Karpiel.....thanks for that !!!