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The futility of the Prius and the end of the world as we know it

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Sleazattle
I still get irritated as shit that half the fools 'designing' bikes nowadays are at the point that they're recycling dumb ideas that were abandonned for good reasons (see elevated drive trail bikes)

Every year fox and rockshox come out with forks that supposedly fix what their last design sucked at. It's just running circles on noob customers at this point. They know how to make good dampers. They just insist on taking short cuts to sell the next 3 year product lines.
From their perspective does it really matter when 95% of customers have it set up like shit anyway? If I made suspensions I'd sell a high end model with 7 knobs that weren't attached to anything.
 

stevew

resident influencer
Sep 21, 2001
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9,608
when your cars update fails...tech support in mumbai....

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not a driving experience i care for.
 

stevew

resident influencer
Sep 21, 2001
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kidwoo

Artisanal Tweet Curator
uh oh, someone's on a tear :rofl:


All so you can get tumescent for your fucking Audi's and Porsches and shit. Gimme a fuckin break.
and those fancy ski bases and skin suits you wear too


congratulations, you're doing exactly what british petroleum wanted you to

 
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Pneuma

Chimp
Nov 5, 2021
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I spent some time a million years ago working on a project in that terrible place and gained a vague understanding of how inefficient the process of squeezing bitumen out of sand and turning it into a usable product is. We should absolutely not be doing that. But, stopping the mining and of the tar sands would require Canada punching themselves in the dick with regards to their energy independence, so, I wouldn't expect anything to change unless the price of oil gets below $50 a barrel or whatever the break even is these days.
 
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DaveW

Space Monkey
Jul 2, 2001
11,216
2,740
The bunker at parliament
chestnuts roasting on a open fire


 

slyfink

Turbo Monkey
Sep 16, 2008
9,337
5,095
Ottawa, Canada
ok, so so ICEs are bad, and batteries are bad... what's the alternative? Mention living without cars in the US, and this is the response you get:
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kidwoo

Artisanal Tweet Curator
ok, so so ICEs are bad, and batteries are bad... what's the alternative? Mention living without cars in the US, and this is the response you get:
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come up with an alternative energy driven form of transportation that doesn't recreate the same wastefulness, destruction and pollution as the petroleum industries have over the last 150 years. Also just convincing people they have every ability to regularly travel around the world on a whim isn't maybe the the casual process it's become.


You seem to only operate in a very binary way. Teslas can both suck, and EVs are still worth pursuing. It's not either/or.

So far, generally speaking, the EV car world is largely repeating all the same wasteful industrialized, market driven mistakes that made the petroleum industry. We can do this better and there are some good exceptions.

I'm not going to post yet again for you the third time, how Elon musk, GM and Chrysler pretty much killed/stalled public trains in california with the hyperloop bullshit that he musk just decided he wasn't going to do, likely from the beginning so he could sell more cars. I would if I thought it would sink in but it doesn't.

In the meantime jumping on someone just because they have a nice car is fucking stupid when people like musk and zuckerberg literally use a private jet and a helicopter respectively to commute. And instead of coming up with better transportation solutions car companies are focusing on this bullshit:

 
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slyfink

Turbo Monkey
Sep 16, 2008
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Ottawa, Canada
come up with an alternative energy driven form of transportation that doesn't recreate the same wastefulness, destruction and pollution as the petroleum industries have over the last 150 years. Also just convincing people they have every ability to regularly travel around the world on a whim isn't maybe the the casual process it's become.


You seem to only operate in a very binary way. Teslas can both suck, and EVs are still worth pursuing. It's not either/or.

So far, generally speaking, the EV car world is largely repeating all the same wasteful industrialized, market driven mistakes that made the petroleum industry. We can do this better and there are some good exceptions.

I'm not going to post yet again for you the third time, how Elon musk, GM and Chrysler pretty much killed/stalled public trains in california with the hyperloop bullshit that he musk just decided he wasn't going to do, likely from the beginning so he could sell more cars. I would if I thought it would sink in but it doesn't.

In the meantime jumping on someone just because they have a nice car is fucking stupid when people like musk and zuckerberg literally use a private jet and a helicopter respectively to commute. And instead of coming up with better transportation solutions car companies are focusing on this bullshit:

The trouble with mass transit is that it doesn't work with the spread-out, low density form of habitation that dominates the US. And any time I've brought that up, I get labeled an elitist urbanite.

And yes, I will always make fun of people for fetishizing vehicles. Car fuckers as it were. Not that I agree with it, but all those rich people jetting around in their private planes and helicopters still don't account for more emissions than private automobiles. And as you said, it's an either/or proposition. You can address both.

Which brings me back to the point
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kidwoo

Artisanal Tweet Curator
The trouble with mass transit is that it doesn't work with the spread-out, low density form of habitation that dominates the US. And any time I've brought that up, I get labeled an elitist urbanite.

And yes, I will always make fun of people for fetishizing vehicles. Car fuckers as it were. Not that I agree with it, but all those rich people jetting around in their private planes and helicopters still don't account for more emissions than private automobiles. And as you said, it's an either/or proposition. You can address both.

Which brings me back to the point View attachment 205892

yeah so anyway, california is now building trains finally after we voted on it three times to serve what you call an impossible to serve population


What's been built so far is working really fucking well.




You can post that meme all you want but real solutions exist. And the wrong ones being implemented still deserve ridicule, derision and abandonment. That's not giving up, that's not fear of new things, it's reality.

It's hilarious that you think canada is built out any differently than the US. Get out of the city kid. There's a great big world out there and there really are ecologically responsible ways to move around it. The suburbs around vancouver and other cities I've been too are exactly the same as they are here. In the case of vancouver, far worse.


all those rich people jetting around in their private planes and helicopters still don't account for more emissions than private automobiles.
those ARE private automobile equivalents, just much more wasteful than anything anyone here could possibly recreate.

You do get that right?

 
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slyfink

Turbo Monkey
Sep 16, 2008
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Ottawa, Canada
yeah so anyway, california is now building trains finally after we voted on it three times to serve what you call an impossible to serve population


What's been built so far is working really fucking well.




You can post that meme all you want but real solutions exist. And the wrong ones being implemented still deserve ridicule, derision and abandonment. That's not giving up, that's not fear of new things, it's reality.

It's hilarious that you think canada is built out any differently than the US. Get out of the city kid. There's a great big world out there and there really are ecologically responsible ways to move around it. The suburbs around vancouver and other cities I've been too are exactly the same as they are here. In the case of vancouver, far worse.




those ARE private automobile equivalents, just much more wasteful than anything anyone here could possibly recreate.

You do get that right?

And what does California have more than all other states? Density. Glad to hear rail is moving ahead there, I didn't know. I hope it survives the political landscape.

Also, not sure why you think I think Canada is any better. It's pretty bad here too. I pretty much feel that our biggest problem is we're always looking south of the border for inspiration. Always looking to copy your "rugged individualism".

As for the 1% vs 66% thing, that's a great way to gaslight people. "Lookit over there, we're not so bad. They're worse. Therefore we don't have to do anything." As I said before, it's not an either/or proposition. You address both.

also, I don't think America falls into that bottom 66%. Not with your wealth, and the way y'all fetishize your trucks and fancy automobiles, and defend your rugged individualism from any form socialism...

You're right though, there's a great big world out there, and lots of different ways to live. Most of which have a far smaller carbon footprint. Ergo
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kidwoo

Artisanal Tweet Curator
As for the 1% vs 66% thing, that's a great way to gaslight people. "Lookit over there, we're not so bad. They're worse. Therefore we don't have to do anything." As I said before, it's not an either/or proposition. You can work on both.
Zuckerberg has a choice, poverty doesn't.

It's not gaslighting. It's highlighting the people who CAN do things differently but just don't

vs. the vast majority of people who are forced into a system they didn't create, yet you want to blame exclusively


nevermind this weird rich asshole bootlicking apologist shit you seem to have just picked up for some reason.....


also, I don't think America falls into that bottom 66%. Not with the way y'all fetishize your trucks and fancy automobile, and defend your rugged individualism from any form socialism...
Again.....you know very little about reality here


We are a nation of propaganda. We are lied to from the moment of birth about everything from how this country was formed, to what your place in it should be. From industry, from gov't, and from our schools overtaken by the pitfalls of both. You blame the symptom and the result of that, not the cause.

Punch up, not down. Do you know what that means? We ain't the rich nation the average would indicate. It's offset by a few bazillionaires. Most of america can't even see a doctor. There's a little bit of YOLO that results from that.
 
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Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
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AK
The trouble with mass transit is that it doesn't work with the spread-out, low density form of habitation that dominates the US. And any time I've brought that up, I get labeled an elitist urbanite.
RUSSIA has trains for god's sake.
 

Toshi

Harbinger of Doom
Oct 23, 2001
38,325
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what's the lifespan on those things panning out to be? honest question, I really haven't looked.
I have just shy of 2600 miles on my commuter e-bike at the moment. Haven't noticed any battery degradation over that period of time, and it's displaced many trips that'd otherwise be in the Land Cruiser (with all the parking infrastructure, etc. that that implies as well).

probably helps that the pack is 998 Wh and my usual commute is < 500 Wh, so not cycling it deeply.
 

kidwoo

Artisanal Tweet Curator
I have just shy of 2600 miles on my commuter e-bike at the moment. Haven't noticed any battery degradation over that period of time, and it's displaced many trips that'd otherwise be in the Land Cruiser (with all the parking infrastructure, etc. that that implies as well).

probably helps that the pack is 998 Wh and my usual commute is < 500 Wh, so not cycling it deeply.
when did you buy that?
 

Changleen

Paranoid Member
Jan 9, 2004
14,353
2,463
Pōneke
My 2019 Decoy (Shimano e8000) is still going strong, it’s gone from 36s to 38s after I bent them, on the third set of SPDs after pedal strike damage, second set of wheels, fourth/fifth set of tyres, third chain, second cassette and about 3800km of offroad plus an uncounted amount of onroad (different wheels) and tooling about in the park with kids (but nothing like as much as offroad duties).

The motor is still great, 540wh battery is still great, I honestly can’t notice any drop in range although I tend to a) look after it carefully and b) rarely use the full range, in fact I can only recall running it to completely empty about four times. I generally use about 1/2 of the battery when I ride Waimapihi and 3/4s when I hit Makara, my most common trail haunts.

The only issue with the e-bits is two of the pixel lines on the little display have given up. Also special mention for the TSG dropper post which is still basically perfect after 4+ years and has only been serviced once.
 
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rideit

Bob the Builder
Aug 24, 2004
23,359
11,520
In the cleavage of the Tetons
I have a haibike commuter with more than 2000 miles in it. I bought it in ‘14. Ridden by my teenager for a few years as well. All I have had to do to it is replace a chain, cassette, chainring, and brake pads.
Original battery, Bosch CX motor, with a delimiter chip.
Should work indefinitely if not flogged.