The hell are you talking about?
This is what's wrong with The Industry™
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I honestly can't tell at this point if something has been lost in translation here or not.
If you're talking about the compression knobs (2vs1), that's not something that's being drilled then filled. It's a different component subassembly, shock body casing is the same.
French origin yes, but still English: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/discutable
Sorry guys
Yeti SB100 is a good example of this, being marketed as a "downcountry bike" or "hardcore XC" bike that isn't just for racing, but does well on big descents, the "downhillers XC bike", blah blah.
So why don't they offer it with a build kit with a real shock, like a Float X2 or at least a DPX2, and fucking ideally, a CCDB in-line coil? WTF? I don't mean only, but at least as a "oh, BTW here's a build option with the shock the bike should have for the kind of riding we are promoting". Nope, they spec some shitty ass XC shock with dumb quick-range adjusters that go from "ok and blows through travel" to "harsh and good for the fireroad without bumps" to "WTF am I riding a suspension bike for?". The "LSC" on those is a joke and only works in one mode and you can't dial this thing in much, it's more of the "it's an XC bike and people don't care". Rebound is the same way. I understand at the far extreme of XC racing, there are compromises and the shocks aren't really functioning like they do for the majority of us, mainly being used to take the edge off downhill and run very very firm (lockout) most everywhere else. For the amateurs, it's somewhere in between, but again, with the advertising and supposed use of this bike, I can't understand why they wouldn't put the right freaking shock on it, except for what Toodles has brought up.
That's kind of related to my general "why do companies say F-you to air-shock riders?" and only spec stuff with adjustable high/low circuits on DH bikes? As if they are the only ones that want to optimize their damping and ride? It is really about maximizing profit and F-you to most riders and giving osmething that "kind of works most of the time". Thankfully we are a little better than the old days when they wold spec front shocks with no freaking damper, just elastomers: "here's a bike, it works at one speed, if you go faster, it'll suck balls, the rear shock will be ok, but your fork will be out of control". I understand limiting the damping adjustments to some extent, but this radical "here's a suspension piece with no damper!" should have NEVER left the drawing board. It just goes to show you "the industry" is more than happy to screw us over for a dollar or two.
And people still buy Specialized Brain shocks...
So why don't they offer it with a build kit with a real shock, like a Float X2 or at least a DPX2, and fucking ideally, a CCDB in-line coil? WTF? I don't mean only, but at least as a "oh, BTW here's a build option with the shock the bike should have for the kind of riding we are promoting". Nope, they spec some shitty ass XC shock with dumb quick-range adjusters that go from "ok and blows through travel" to "harsh and good for the fireroad without bumps" to "WTF am I riding a suspension bike for?". The "LSC" on those is a joke and only works in one mode and you can't dial this thing in much, it's more of the "it's an XC bike and people don't care". Rebound is the same way. I understand at the far extreme of XC racing, there are compromises and the shocks aren't really functioning like they do for the majority of us, mainly being used to take the edge off downhill and run very very firm (lockout) most everywhere else. For the amateurs, it's somewhere in between, but again, with the advertising and supposed use of this bike, I can't understand why they wouldn't put the right freaking shock on it, except for what Toodles has brought up.
That's kind of related to my general "why do companies say F-you to air-shock riders?" and only spec stuff with adjustable high/low circuits on DH bikes? As if they are the only ones that want to optimize their damping and ride? It is really about maximizing profit and F-you to most riders and giving osmething that "kind of works most of the time". Thankfully we are a little better than the old days when they wold spec front shocks with no freaking damper, just elastomers: "here's a bike, it works at one speed, if you go faster, it'll suck balls, the rear shock will be ok, but your fork will be out of control". I understand limiting the damping adjustments to some extent, but this radical "here's a suspension piece with no damper!" should have NEVER left the drawing board. It just goes to show you "the industry" is more than happy to screw us over for a dollar or two.
And people still buy Specialized Brain shocks...
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I had to quote that for later use! Very good description indeed
I never liked the rebound on small Fox shocks either...
Then the SB100 is marketed as a XC-something bike so that the second most important feature for the average buyer after travel length is weight. Hence the crippy shock...
I would say that in modern parlance, we would tend to use "debatable" rather than "discutable".French origin yes, but still English: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/discutable
Sorry guys
Don't get me wrong, I like the concept of the bike, I think there's some merit, but then at the very least, have some build options that reflect this.
The SB100 is a silly bike for those of us who ride mountain bikes in the mountains. Just ignore the full-court press from Yetis marketing dept, as no one will be talking about that bike 6 months from now.
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I agree, but with the Yeti being marketed this way, one would expect they'd allow the option. I agree this is a bigger issue where it's just like "F-you, here's a 3-position adjuster and rebound and you'll only be able to run it on open-blow-through-the-travel setting because it'll jackhammer otherwise". I think the SB100 just brings it more to the extreme. They are trying to do something different, a more aggressive short travel bike, but not following through.
I rode it. It's fucking sick.
If I had $$ for a n+1 bike I'd consider it. It absolutely shreds on mellow trails.
agreed. i like the idea of down country (but not the name). but i think its gonna take more to properly execute re: the suspension.
the problem with every xc bike (real xc bike) is that xc riders don't know how to setup suspension. the majority of the ones i've encountered pretty much just dial compression has firm as it goes so it rides "like a hardtail"
what the eff is a down country?
PS - that Yeti has a 68 degree HA - LOL!
PS - that Yeti has a 68 degree HA - LOL!
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I think Argentina (my country) would be a good example. Our poor peso has been under devaluation for three years straight. our current government has subscribed over ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY BILLION DOLLARS in debt (and used about a third of that to flee their own fortunes to tax havens), and the domestic economy is going down like two porn actresses on a lesbian flick.
Less than 67, it is 67.8 stock, with a 130 fork, (how I will be running it) that’s about right for a tight and twisty single track machine
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Not that I'd drop that much money, but I'm keen for a shorter travel aggressive trail bike since my girl stole my Scout. The enduro rig is overkill for the faster flowy stuff and long backcountry missions, but I hate XC bike handling and geo. The SB100, Smuggler, Scout, etc are all fun little bikes for when you don't want to be over-biked. If they made a carbon version of the new Scout that would be my preference (playful sized wheels and all), but short travel bikes with good angles are rad.
Yeah, here 65-70% of our terrain is more or less buff monster climbs, with fairly buff descents. I have been vastly overbiked on my Altitude (150/160) and simply don’t need to carry that much more weight around. You really feel it when you are out for 5-7 hours. Short travel bikes are also poppier/more playful on mellower terrain...I have the bigger bike when the objectives get rowdier.
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That's pretty much how our cyclical history goes. The XXI century only brought the right winged part via democracy instead of the usual military dictatorship we used to have in the past 100 years.AGAIN?!?
Yep. Althought Wideopen just reviewed some TRP brakes and put "overkill for enduro" as a con as well.
he liked your bike...he just wished it was a 29er...
Ha, what the actual fuck? Bad ass, powerful brakes you don't have to bleed every month or so are perfect for, well, pretty much any kind of mountain biking, much less asthma meds racing. I <3 mountain bike e-reviews.
That sucks man. I know smart guys like you who have lived it, know the absurdity of central banks and fiat currency. Us Americans are starting to get a glimpse of the problem, but we are more in the slow boil stage.
Back in the 80s we were the test tube cases for most of the stuff you guys are going through nowadays. The worst part of being an Argentinian is knowing the guys on top want the populace to remain poor, and only export soybeans, a bit of meat, and oil. Not so long ago, we had a helluva program to develop a microsat/cubesat satellite launcher. We developed a jet fighter trainer from scratch. And we even sent a geostationary communications satellite up, completely designed here. But they still want us to be "the barn of the world". Oh, and a second order tax haven, if the laws they are pushing for do get approved.
Yet the mofos claim all the responsibility for the country's demise is from the poor people.
Sorry for the steam venting. And thanks so much for taking the time to tell us a wonderful story, in a wonderful manner. As others said you have some diamond in the rough there.
/RANT.
I presume that you are familiar with Operation Condor and all that...
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Too painfully familiar...
I have a missing uncle. The military Junta took him away and we never heard back from him. And my mother had to flee to the South of the country and hide for a couple of months while I was in her womb, all because they were listed in the Socialist Party's roster. Had she stayed in Buenos Aires, she'd followed my uncle's demise.
The most obscene part of our recent history is having the same mofos who ran the economic circus back then, running it now.
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Thanks for the sympathy. I have had my mourning, and I still have hope for my country. And again, thanks so much for your amazing story.
Yeah,I watched that transition with sadness. Corporations own us all. In '11 I started riding with a woman from Argentina, which made me for the first time pay attention to the tragic cycles of latinoamericano politics, which I still follow and try to understand.
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They see their poor little island, then they see superpower China with favored nation trading status, but who is also communist, has a shitty record and is an actual direct military threat to any and all US interests no matter where in the world.
The one thing they do see very clearly though is the corporate power and how its tentacles infect government, bending it too its will. With the exception of the loudmouths in S Florida (Fuck why is it always Florida?) they really don't get why there has not been a concerted effort to "open" the market and try to exploit them. Not that they want exploiting mind, but just access to the worlds markets.
The same for me with friends in Cuba.
They see their poor little island, then they see superpower China with favored nation trading status, but who is also communist, has a shitty record and is an actual direct military threat to any and all US interests no matter where in the world.
The one thing they do see very clearly though is the corporate power and how its tentacles infect government, bending it too its will. With the exception of the loudmouths in S Florida (Fuck why is it always Florida?) they really don't get why there has not been a concerted effort to "open" the market and try to exploit them. Not that they want exploiting mind, but just access to the worlds markets.
If your vans a rockin, and the IMF comes a knockin, roll up the windows and lock the doors. Those loans are the small pox laced blankets of yesteryear that the US govt game to the American Indians.
China has picked up on the scam, and they are going places like Africa and Pahkistan/India (can't remember which one, close to each other but very different places) and making loans the countries will never be able to pay back. Makes them dependent, and allows China to seize productive assets and resources that are put up as collateral for such loans.
There are a myriad of facets to the central bank scam and the destruction they leave in their wake with their boom and bust cycles, and we would need 100 threads to look at them all. Check out Princes of Yenn on youtube to get an idea of how the process works. Its a bit hyperbolic in some aspects but gives a big picture look examining the lost generation in Japan.
Our government knew this pretty well in advance. The IMF isn't an institution hoping to boost country development, it's actually the other way around. They would lend you money, but on draconian conditions which would ultimately lead to a broken internal market and an increase in poverty. Even you guys up north depended on government led initiatives to come out of the subprime mortgage crisis. We have been dealing with their policies for 50 years now, and the bastards in charge would come back simply because they KNOW adhering to the IMF regime would increase the gap between them and the rest of the population.