4 bikes ridden within 30 hours on the same trail (Zorro, with the GG also getting the Dakota Ridge/Red Rocks/DR treatment before finishing up on Zorro):
1) Guerilla Gravity Megatrail.
Photo is from kidwoo's review of it on Blister Gear Review.
Tested: size medium, 160 mm? 170 mm MRP Stage fork, Trail setting on the suspension (so 150 mm), 1x SRAM parts. Monarch Plus shock with tons of air pressure (300+ psi, over what my shock pump could read) to get decent sag.
The Megatrail didn't quit work for me, which is too bad since it's relatively reasonably priced and made by some good guys right here in Denver. Despite the numbers seeming pretty sane on paper (17.3" chainstays, 66.5 degree head angle, 13.2" BB) it felt slacker and longer in reality. This could be due to an imbalance in the fork/shock stiffness but this persisted despite dumping a bunch of pressure from the fork.
In any case my impression was of a tall front end (even set as low as possible), tons of pedal strikes, and less mid-stroke compliance than I expected given the loads of travel at both ends. It also didn't help that the demo bike had a worn rear tire, causing me some grief while restarting on steep slopes while climbing.
Overall this felt slacker and longer than it should have, and although the cockpit was properly stretched out but not unduly the wheels themselves felt too distant for my riding style.
2) Santa Cruz Tallboy.
Tested: size medium, 2 x 11 SRAM, Fox 32 up front, 29" wheels. This means it had 120 mm travel up front, 110 mm in the rear.
I did not like this one, either. Felt too short in reach despite a 23.7" top tube in theory (might have been the narrow bars), and the front center felt too short. 17" chainstays felt good on the climb, though, and it certainly did roll over rocks nicely. 68 degree head angle felt steep, showing how far things have come... I remember when 70.5 was dangerously slack.
3) Santa Cruz Bronson.
Tested: size medium, 1 x 11 SRAM (32 x 42t, ugh), Pike. 150 mm travel front and rear.
I'd been on this same bike a few weeks ago at White Ranch so knew what to expect. Long front end with really long front center but without too much flop on the climbs. I had them set up the suspension too soft for my weight intentionally to see how the link geometry felt when undersprung, and it felt fine. I used this as my internal baseline for the tests and certainly liked it better than the Megatrail or the Tallboy.
For reference this has a 66 degree head angle and a 23.5" top tube yet felt much roomier than the Tallboy.
4) Santa Cruz 5010.
Tested: size medium. No fancy ENVE wheels. 1 x 11 SRAM with same 32 x 42t setup. 130 mm of travel front and rear.
This bike looked on paper to be Goldilocks, with a 67 degree head angle, 23.5" top tube, and the medium amount of travel. Chainstays are nice and short at 16.8".
In reality this turned out to be the case, too, with the only disparity from that expected by the geometry being that the Megatrail felt slacker than the Bronson despite the latter being slacker on paper. The front center on the 5010 felt just right. The front end was easier to loft while climbing and it was easier to pop off of tiny lips while descending. The suspension on all of the VPP bikes felt more compliant in the midstroke than the Megatrail, and that's where I spend my time since I don't huck big stuff these days.
Could I ride any of these bikes? Yes, any would do in a pinch. I rode the Zorro stairs on all of them to prove that point (took a second try to get it on the Megatrail and Bronson, oddly, while I nailed it on the first try on the Tallboy and 5010).
The one that I'd choose is the Goldilocks bike, the 5010. I had the most fun on it and I don't think I'd "run out of bike" on anything I foresee myself riding around local trails.
1) Guerilla Gravity Megatrail.
Photo is from kidwoo's review of it on Blister Gear Review.
Tested: size medium, 160 mm? 170 mm MRP Stage fork, Trail setting on the suspension (so 150 mm), 1x SRAM parts. Monarch Plus shock with tons of air pressure (300+ psi, over what my shock pump could read) to get decent sag.
The Megatrail didn't quit work for me, which is too bad since it's relatively reasonably priced and made by some good guys right here in Denver. Despite the numbers seeming pretty sane on paper (17.3" chainstays, 66.5 degree head angle, 13.2" BB) it felt slacker and longer in reality. This could be due to an imbalance in the fork/shock stiffness but this persisted despite dumping a bunch of pressure from the fork.
In any case my impression was of a tall front end (even set as low as possible), tons of pedal strikes, and less mid-stroke compliance than I expected given the loads of travel at both ends. It also didn't help that the demo bike had a worn rear tire, causing me some grief while restarting on steep slopes while climbing.
Overall this felt slacker and longer than it should have, and although the cockpit was properly stretched out but not unduly the wheels themselves felt too distant for my riding style.
2) Santa Cruz Tallboy.
Tested: size medium, 2 x 11 SRAM, Fox 32 up front, 29" wheels. This means it had 120 mm travel up front, 110 mm in the rear.
I did not like this one, either. Felt too short in reach despite a 23.7" top tube in theory (might have been the narrow bars), and the front center felt too short. 17" chainstays felt good on the climb, though, and it certainly did roll over rocks nicely. 68 degree head angle felt steep, showing how far things have come... I remember when 70.5 was dangerously slack.
3) Santa Cruz Bronson.
Tested: size medium, 1 x 11 SRAM (32 x 42t, ugh), Pike. 150 mm travel front and rear.
I'd been on this same bike a few weeks ago at White Ranch so knew what to expect. Long front end with really long front center but without too much flop on the climbs. I had them set up the suspension too soft for my weight intentionally to see how the link geometry felt when undersprung, and it felt fine. I used this as my internal baseline for the tests and certainly liked it better than the Megatrail or the Tallboy.
For reference this has a 66 degree head angle and a 23.5" top tube yet felt much roomier than the Tallboy.
4) Santa Cruz 5010.
Tested: size medium. No fancy ENVE wheels. 1 x 11 SRAM with same 32 x 42t setup. 130 mm of travel front and rear.
This bike looked on paper to be Goldilocks, with a 67 degree head angle, 23.5" top tube, and the medium amount of travel. Chainstays are nice and short at 16.8".
In reality this turned out to be the case, too, with the only disparity from that expected by the geometry being that the Megatrail felt slacker than the Bronson despite the latter being slacker on paper. The front center on the 5010 felt just right. The front end was easier to loft while climbing and it was easier to pop off of tiny lips while descending. The suspension on all of the VPP bikes felt more compliant in the midstroke than the Megatrail, and that's where I spend my time since I don't huck big stuff these days.
Could I ride any of these bikes? Yes, any would do in a pinch. I rode the Zorro stairs on all of them to prove that point (took a second try to get it on the Megatrail and Bronson, oddly, while I nailed it on the first try on the Tallboy and 5010).
The one that I'd choose is the Goldilocks bike, the 5010. I had the most fun on it and I don't think I'd "run out of bike" on anything I foresee myself riding around local trails.
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