RD3 said:My collection includes 4 avy forks (mtn-8, dhf-8, dhf-8ti, dhf-mt) and 2 dhs shocks.
I think we need a picture here :love: :love: :love:
RD3 said:My collection includes 4 avy forks (mtn-8, dhf-8, dhf-8ti, dhf-mt) and 2 dhs shocks.
Thrillkil said:On Avalanche's Ebay store, they're doing a 10% off sale on all avy shocks. DHS'es are $540, and Monotubes are $360.
kidwoo said:You know what's better than x number of avys?
Riding your freaking bike or engaging in something meaningful outside of stroking yourself online about something as irrelevant as which shock you've chosen to put on your bike.............Not to mention creating some sort of dork club that does nothing but look for excuses to type the word printed on your damper.
That's what.
kidwoo said:You know what's better than x number of avys?
Riding your freaking bike or engaging in something meaningful outside of stroking yourself online about something as irrelevant as which shock you've chosen to put on your bike.............Not to mention creating some sort of dork club that does nothing but look for excuses to type the word printed on your damper.
That's what.
But here's what you and yours don't understand. If I wanted that heavy ass thing that has been surpassed in technology by every other major shock manufacturer on any of my bikes, trust me, it would be there. There's very little that I think would make my bike ride better that doesn't find its way there. It's like wallowing in the great technological advancements in suspension design by jan karpiel that lost relevance 4 years ago.................oh wait...........nevermind.seismic said:...and here we have a grumpy old man who dosent have an Avy
...overdamped ??? Ohhh...here we go again.... whatever you ride of shock and fork I am sure it rides 100 times better than an Avy... of course...kidwoo said:But here's what you and yours don't understand. If I wanted that heavy ass thing that has been surpassed in technology by every other major shock manufacturer on any of my bikes, trust me, it would be there. There's very little that I think would make my bike ride better that doesn't find its way there. It's like wallowing in the great technological advancements in suspension design by jan karpiel that lost relevance 4 years ago.................oh wait...........nevermind.
I don't start threads about how great my odi ruffian grips are and coo like a little 13 year old enraptured with her first boyfriend like people seem to do who buy these overdamped motorcycle shocks for their bikes.............
You know what's better than one britney spears album? The next one!! sqweeeeeeeeeee!!!
kidwoo said:But here's what you and yours don't understand. If I wanted that heavy ass thing that has been surpassed in technology by every other major shock manufacturer on any of my bikes, trust me, it would be there. There's very little that I think would make my bike ride better that doesn't find its way there. It's like wallowing in the great technological advancements in suspension design by jan karpiel that lost relevance 4 years ago.................oh wait...........nevermind.
I don't start threads about how great my odi ruffian grips are and coo like a little 13 year old enraptured with her first boyfriend like people seem to do who buy these overdamped motorcycle shocks for their bikes.............
You know what's better than one britney spears album? The next one!! sqweeeeeeeeeee!!!
kidwoo said:But here's what you and yours don't understand. If I wanted that heavy ass thing that has been surpassed in technology by every other major shock manufacturer on any of my bikes, trust me, it would be there. There's very little that I think would make my bike ride better that doesn't find its way there. It's like wallowing in the great technological advancements in suspension design by jan karpiel that lost relevance 4 years ago.................oh wait...........nevermind.
Yes overdamped.. You don't notice it on your bike because it's a karpiel and it's overleveraged. To be quite honest, if I still had my armageddon, I'd probably have an avalanche on there. That particular combination of high leverage and heavy damping makes a very nice ride.seismic said:...overdamped ??? Ohhh...here we go again.... whatever you ride of shock and fork I am sure it rides 100 times better than an Avy... of course...
kidwoo said:Rather than listen to the guy the almighty craig just blew him off and kind of insulted they guy's knowledge.
Kind of answered in the above post but.......I respect you and your know how quite a bit so I'll elaborate.vitox said:i dont really see this, i mean, i could understand it if you meant that cv/t is at a greater technological development stage, or if you mean it in a weight-to-performance comparison, so, whats exactly the part where avy tech has been "absolutely surpassed"?
im only asking you this because i know there will be an intelligent answer and not to start a "your dad beats by dad" sort of argument, well you already knew this but im typing it so that nobody else replies in that sort of manner.
kidwoo said:Yes overdamped.. You don't notice it on your bike because it's a karpiel and it's overleveraged. To be quite honest, if I still had my armageddon, I'd probably have an avalanche on there. That particular combination of high leverage and heavy damping makes a very nice ride.
But I've also ridden an avalanche on a turner and on a gemini Dh where they feel like crap because both of those bikes have much lower leverage ratios. Even with the right amount of sag/spring weight and zero compression damping, they ride really harsh. The guy I knew trying to get his gemini dialed even sent it back twice to get it "custom" tuned. Rather than listen to the guy the almighty craig just blew him off and kind of insulted they guy's knowledge.
I've got a vanilla dh on my bike which to be honest is much more rare than any avalanche. It's on there because it has an adjustability not found in avalanche shocks that make it suitable for that bike. But here's the thing........I don't start threads or make ENDLESS posts about it.
My point is not to rag on shocks that actually have a validity with certain frames. It's starting these goofy chant fests.
Considering sundays are like the opposite end of the spectrum from high leverage ratio bikes, that is odd.MOTODH said:I completely agree but it is odd how DW love his Avy on a sunday
just stirring the pot:devil:
kidwoo said:Yes overdamped.. You don't notice it on your bike because it's a karpiel and it's overleveraged. To be quite honest, if I still had my armageddon, I'd probably have an avalanche on there. That particular combination of high leverage and heavy damping makes a very nice ride.
But I've also ridden an avalanche on a turner and on a gemini Dh where they feel like crap because both of those bikes have much lower leverage ratios. Even with the right amount of sag/spring weight and zero compression damping, they ride really harsh. The guy I knew trying to get his gemini dialed even sent it back twice to get it "custom" tuned. Rather than listen to the guy the almighty craig just blew him off and kind of insulted they guy's knowledge.
I've got a vanilla dh on my bike which to be honest is much more rare than any avalanche. It's on there because it has an adjustability not found in avalanche shocks that make it suitable for that bike. But here's the thing........I don't start threads or make ENDLESS posts about it.
My point is not to rag on shocks that actually have a validity with certain frames. It's starting these goofy chant fests.
It is. Most people don't run it that way though. I couldn't because the eccentrics on mine kept slipping. Sorry for the assumption. But at least now you know your bike is completely incorrectly designed for that shock and through my lengthly babbling, you now understand that you can't possibly be having any fun riding it......you must sell one or the other at once.seismic said:If you run the Army in 9" setting with a 3" shock you have a 1:3 lever ratio...since when has that become a high leverage? I thought 1:3 was quite "normal"....
kidwoo said:It is. Most people don't run it that way though. I couldn't because the eccentrics on mine kept slipping. Sorry for the assumption. But at least now you know your bike is completely incorrectly designed for that shock and through my lengthly babbling, you now understand that you can't possibly be having any fun riding it......you must sell one or the other at once.
Buy a foxy.
see how that could get annoying?
My dh bike is a turner now. Number two technically.seismic said:Which bike do you ride ?
kidwoo said:Yes overdamped.. You don't notice it on your bike because it's a karpiel and it's overleveraged. To be quite honest, if I still had my armageddon, I'd probably have an avalanche on there. That particular combination of high leverage and heavy damping makes a very nice ride.
But I've also ridden an avalanche on a turner and on a gemini Dh where they feel like crap because both of those bikes have much lower leverage ratios. Even with the right amount of sag/spring weight and zero compression damping, they ride really harsh. The guy I knew trying to get his gemini dialed even sent it back twice to get it "custom" tuned. Rather than listen to the guy the almighty craig just blew him off and kind of insulted they guy's knowledge.
I've got a vanilla dh on my bike which to be honest is much more rare than any avalanche. It's on there because it has an adjustability not found in avalanche shocks that make it suitable for that bike. But here's the thing........I don't start threads or make ENDLESS posts about it.
My point is not to rag on shocks that actually have a validity with certain frames. It's starting these goofy chant fests.
kidwoo said:Considering sundays are like the opposite end of the spectrum from high leverage ratio bikes, that is odd.
What's not odd however is the feasibilty of Seekins and Weagle having a much more in depth discussion of shock requirements for his particular bike and Craig's willingness to listen and build such a shock..........much more so than the attention the average customer gets. Who knows.
kidwoo said:My dh bike is a turner now. Number two technically.
Before that I had an armageddon, a disco volante, and kind of a borrowed specialized DH that got me started (back in the day).
kidwoo said:The cvt manitous, dhx's etc are something you can buy, have WAY more usuable adjustability and with bikes having lower leverage ratios these days, actually ride better in my opinion. I know the newer avys have position sensitve damping but the ones I've felt recently have very little changed in their overall feel. (edit: I'm talking about the remotes, not the piggybacks) As mentioned.......I do like they way they can make some bikes feel.......but certainly not all and I'm weary of "buy an avy" as a response to everything.
OGRipper said:Man, Kidwoo you are funny when you're cranky with cabin fever! Five stars!!
But is interesting to consider how the Avy might be a better answer for higher leverage frames. That could help explain why lots of the cultists talk about blowing dozens of shocks before seeing the Avy light. I largely ignore these discussions but not sure I've seen that point made before.
Small world.vitox said:you know thats odd and im sure there has to have been some sort of miscommunication there with your friend, because once i called craig up to see if he could get me an avy set up for a wc bound friend and he actually referred to (must have been) your friend and his gemini problem and told me he plain hadnt been able to get it done, at least in the way he explained it to me he seemed pretty bummed about it all.
as for the turner, ive ridden one wih avy and it felt quite nice, so do the also-3-to-1 pdc`s ive put avys on, so im quite certain 3 to 1 is not a leverage craig has a problem valving for at all.
and nope i never met karl other than over the phone, not surprising given the fact ive never set foot on u.s. soil (and with visa wait times being 4 months now here im not sure i ever will)
kidwoo said:Small world.
Did I mention this was my motivation for all this?
I threw that in there because they list it on the site now. All the ones I've ever seen have been the same shock they've always made. Piggy back with just plain old rebound and compression damping.vitox said:as for the position sensitive damping, they dont have it, neither does to my knowledge (having serviced them) the dhx, the rc, nor the roco (judging from specs), the new small piggyback avy you can adjust the bottom out resistance internally much like you could with the fox rc and now with the dhx5 you can do this externally.
I don't even want to hear it man. You're looking foward to a long summer of descents well over 5 thousand feet that make my mountains look like pimples. I'm shoveling my driveway.of course i knew that was your motivation, but just as you i have no dog to kick but my neigbours and im waiting and waiting for the truck from my customs agent to show up and nothing yet so i figured maybe we get some real geek talk out of this thread, right?
ok then i wont tell you about the course that i was scouting yesterday for a race in january.....kidwoo said:I threw that in there because they list it on the site now. All the ones I've ever seen have been the same shock they've always made. Piggy back with just plain old rebound and compression damping.
The technologically surpassed thing was based on this.....no pedal platform, no progression adjustment. The position sensitive thing is same as a progression adjustment IMO. Maybe that seemed too strong a generalization in regards to some of the things they do have with respect to the larger shaft/bearings and oil displacement but I still hold the opinion that they're lagging in some regards.
When I got my niller dh, I even touted that as a benefit. "It's huge shaft and greater fluid dispacement akin to an avalanche blah blah blah"
I know they make good shocks though. But by all means, correct me if I'm wrong in my statement that they are heavier (the remotes, not the new ones) than just about every other conventional shock.
I don't even want to hear it man. You're looking foward to a long summer of descents well over 5 thousand feet that make my mountains look like pimples. I'm shoveling my driveway.
You can ALWAYS criticize me. I often deserve it.seismic said:I will not critize you in any way, but could you list your setup??....I am just curious. Thanks
Absolutely.vitox said:get my point with the different ways to cut the same cake?
Looking good.......kidwoo said:You can ALWAYS criticize me. I often deserve it.
It's an 04 turner DHR with that vanilla dh thing. 888 with go-ride crowns, the newer go-ride direct mount stem (not in picture). Sram x.0 twist shifter and derailleur. I've got saint brakes and holzfeller cranks on it now......this is an older picture..
sirknight6 said:Well now, some information I can use. That being said, if the remote resi can have its issues, what about the mono-tube? technical thoughts?