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dan-o

Turbo Monkey
Jun 30, 2004
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Really? Wow, thats interesting.

So, no questions about pre-existances, allergies or any risks needed to be disclosed to a doctor/nurse or a basic temp/light check up before hand?

I remember one time when I took my kids for vaccines, the doctor send us back home after a quick checkup because my daughter had a bit of a cold.
You can walk into any chain pharmacy here and get a ‘free’ flu shot.
 

jonKranked

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Nov 10, 2005
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Really? Wow, thats interesting.

So, no questions about pre-existances, allergies or any risks needed to be disclosed to a doctor/nurse or a basic temp/light check up before hand?

I remember one time when I took my kids for vaccines, the doctor send us back home after a quick checkup because my daughter had a bit of a cold.
Yea, here in the US they do. Most of the common ones.
 

jonKranked

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Nov 10, 2005
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To follow up, it has to be done by the head pharmacist or a nurse practitioner I believe. So no, it's not being administered by just a retail employee
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Once a vaccine clears regulatory approval they're gonna be retrofitting every line available.

I can tell you from experience, easier said than done. Not to mention it would have to be a profitable endeavor to do so, unless the president enacts whatever that wartime production directive is. Guessing there is little chance of that prior to January.
 

ALEXIS_DH

Tirelessly Awesome
Jan 30, 2003
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I can tell you from experience, easier said than done. Not to mention it would have to be a profitable endeavor to do so, unless the president enacts whatever that wartime production directive is. Guessing there is little chance of that prior to January.
Production will be decided on a demand/price curve basis presented by Susan from marketing on a ppt to the finance dept
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Production will be decided on a demand/price curve basis presented by Susan from marketing on a ppt to the finance dept

the goverment will provide massive amounts of funds to get fast and early production. Then we will all pay however much we think lives are worth.
 

stoney

Part of the unwashed, middle-American horde
Jul 26, 2006
22,036
7,960
Colorado
School district just came out with 20/21 school plans. 100% eLearning or 5-days/weeks. Roll the dice - kids get shit learning and poor social-emotional development or risk of illness.
 

maxyedor

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Oct 20, 2005
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If you had 5 or so manufacturing lines running 24/7 it would still take 3 months to meet US demand. And none of that shit can run continuously with out problems, especially if there are new aspects to the process.
Aren’t they already manufacturing them right this very minute? I know I’ve seen a few BBC articles about promising candidates being made in massive quantities ahead of approval, that would presumably ease supply issues significantly.

We're assuming there’s won’t be multiple successful vaccines, with the number in development I’d have to assume there will be a dozen or so that get approved. That alone should expedite production since each company working on one has the know how and a plan to make their own already, so it’s not like everyone is going to have to stop everything and learn one specific pharma company’s process. The only production lined that will need to start from zero are those owned companies unsuccessful in trials.
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Aren’t they already manufacturing them right this very minute? I know I’ve seen a few BBC articles about promising candidates being made in massive quantities ahead of approval, that would presumably ease supply issues significantly.

We're assuming there’s won’t be multiple successful vaccines, with the number in development I’d have to assume there will be a dozen or so that get approved. That alone should expedite production since each company working on one has the know how and a plan to make their own already, so it’s not like everyone is going to have to stop everything and learn one specific pharma company’s process. The only production lined that will need to start from zero are those owned companies unsuccessful in trials.
Many are in pilot production programs to supply clinical studies. Clinical studies gave been fast racked given the importance, but it is risky. What you can't do is take risks in the final approvals. Delivering a few billion vaccines that aren't safe ore ineffective could be more dangerous than the disease.

The Cambridge vaccine is in later trials but still unproven. Astrazenica has said they would start mass production prior to approvals which could allow a vaccine to hit the market in October, but it is a long shot.
 
FUCKING MILLENIALS. in general, based on toshi's florida chart, various things in the media, and a conversations with colleagues in boston and at the university of georgia yesterday in which both reported hordes of twentysomethings, back at schools for fraternity rush (athens) and just out and about in general (boston), just carrying on in public as usual, no masks, distancing, etc. i'm 100% on board for hoping that those fuckers kill themselves off. the sooner the better.
I noted that Middlebury College students were eating supper outside at a local restaurant in a close-set group of presumably unrelated people last night...
 

Montana rider

Tom Sawyer
Mar 14, 2005
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Since our Gov hasn't (yet) mandated statewide mask usage, the right wing chuckle-fucks are protesting towns considering mask ordinances...


Meanwhile Gallatin County numbers are rapidly rising and MT leads the nation in Rt.

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Don't piss on me bro...

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Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Since our Gov hasn't (yet) mandated statewide mask usage, the right wing chuckle-fucks are protesting towns considering mask ordinances...


Meanwhile Gallatin County numbers are rapidly rising and MT leads the nation in Rt.

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We should start referring to pants as crotch masks.
 

stoney

Part of the unwashed, middle-American horde
Jul 26, 2006
22,036
7,960
Colorado
School district just came out with 20/21 school plans. 100% eLearning or 5-days/weeks. Roll the dice - kids get shit learning and poor social-emotional development or risk of illness.
so all or nothing?
Just got an updated email about school registration. Apparently registration has been put on hold after feedback to the district from parents. I guess they are trying to figure out a serious backtrack now.
 

Inclag

Turbo Monkey
Sep 9, 2001
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MA
The upcoming school year is going to be a shitshow thanks to the total lack of top down leadership. My old man, a man of few words who thankfully tested negative and just seemed to catch a common cold after traveling to NM through Dallas, summed it up in a recent conversation as "Are you fucking kidding me? There is no leadership. It's a fucking joke."

My son's preschool pretty much has no plan. They are trying to survey interest and are stating that anyone that commits and puts down a deposit will also be required to make a financial commitment regardless of what happens throughout the school year. This was sent by email to us, and the details were lacking aside from the 30 pager from the state that lists out a broad and generalized plan/guidance based on their phased approach to reopening (MA). While I have my critiques of how things have been handled in MA, I do feel that the reopening (which will inevitably be squashed by wave 2) has been handled with a modicum of intelligence however the states plan has not been overly prescriptive which at the end of the day is what the general public needs.

We're on the fence about sending our son to preschool this year and are leaning towards not doing it for 3 reasons. 1) There is a value proposition with all products and it has become clear during this outbreak that not all products are meeting the same value they once met. Regardless of safety, if the product is a lesser product than once before, that should be reflected in cost and many entities are not lowering their cost as their products become inferior to what they once were. 2) We have a good relationship with our son's preschool teacher from last year and she's told us that she will be taking the following year off because she likes teaching and at least for preschool aged kids, she believes it will be impossible to teach and instead it will effectively be parenting and trying to make sure kids are't touching one another, cleaning up after themselves, etc.. 3) It is my opinion that kids are incredibly malleable and flexible and that in some cases those of us that are privileged place way too much stock in their early formative years. I've had the pleasure of meeting some really incredibly bright adults that have come from all various walks of life and the one common thread with all of them is a quality of curiousness and perseverance and I have a challenging time believing that underlying quality is something exclusive to those children that have been through preschool.
 

jonKranked

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Nov 10, 2005
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i've gotten back onto following the data for my county and township. we still have the second highest case count in the state, but our new daily cases is trending down. at my township level, it's almost flat. the last time we had more than 5 new cases a day was the beginning of june. our schools still haven't announced anything.
 

slyfink

Turbo Monkey
Sep 16, 2008
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Ottawa, Canada
From george takei fb:

The thing is, you can't get the U.S. economy restarted until you get the infection rates down. People are going to stay clear of restaurants, air travel, and large venues so long as the threat is real, even if you move reopen them. Just look at what happened to air travel after 9/11. It takes time to build trust, and our federal and state governments have squandered a lot of that.

To fix the economy, we have to get a handle on the virus. European and Asian countries understood this, and people there are starting to get back to their lives. But we are nowhere near that point. The virus is spreading and growing in most parts of the country. That's another reason, besides preventing hospital ICU overcapacity issues, why rollbacks or even shutdowns are needed in the hardest hit places. Consumers need to feel like their governments take this seriously.

Until people feel like everything reasonably is being done to protect them (as we have begun to feel in NY now), consumers will feel spooked, and the economy will remain in the dumps.
He's totally right. We are in "Phase 3" of our reopening. and despite my having a fair degree of confidence that the government has put in place measures to limit the spread of the virus, test people and contact trace, and treat people who have the virus, I'm not rushing back to restaurants, movies, or concerts. I don't really see myself doing that for a while to come. I've also already registered my kids in an xc skiing club for this winter as it will have the best possibility for physical distancing and be outdoors.

This summer I've sent my kids to camps, but they are outdoor camps, the ratios are low, and there are pretty strict physical distancing rules. I will send my kids back to school, but that's by necessity, and I hope the school boards put in place measures to limit close quarters, and maybe even use outdoor spaces for education. I emailed my school board to suggest they partner with one of the three local forest schools at least one day a month...

All this to say, from an outside perspective, it seems that politicians in the US who distrust government are behaving in such a way as to further increase the distrust of government. [as an aside, as a civil servant here in Canadia, this is shows why having a non-partisan, professional civil-service that is sheltered from political interference is so important]
 

mandown

Poopdeck Repost
Jun 1, 2004
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Transylvania 90210
When it comes to wearing masks, why do so many people objecting to credentialed authority figures "telling them what to do" in the name of personal freedom also like to reference the rules of an imaginary authority figure as justification?

Are you about freedom or aren't you?